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How to bury the world in ice | The Lissandra Guide

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(87) |

Sorry for the terribly long delay Katasandra! I was not notified that I had received a request! I can definitely understand the desire and need to update and keep a guide on top of competition and in general just the feeling of wanting to keep something you're passionate about fresh and new. So I am here to give you as best of a review as I can.

I do enjoy a guide that takes the time to make their notes a little more detailed instead of a "Haha, go read the guide for that information" so thank you for this! I do, however, dislike reading entire build paths in the notes, if that makes sense. I feel like you could very easily explain it in less detail while showing more visual detail.

EXAMPLE

This would allow you to talk about each Mythic item in general in their dedicated sections without having to // everything to try to make it less clustered. Give it a try. It's a very handy and neat thing to do. You could also add in your first back paths and in general just items you normally buy on a regular basis like control wards.

One more very important thing! This is the beginning of the guide, the cheat-sheet the "I don't have time to read a guide" section, it would be very helpful for the reader viewing the guide to know in your own words what each champions threat is & what you can do to face them more easily. You obviously don't have to go as IN-DEPTH as I do with Teemo, but just a "Oh, he's a hard champion, avoid his ___ and __ do ___" is a really good thing to have.

Is certainly not lacking. You do have a nice neat design, though it does lack visual flair that we have mostly come to know with new and recent MobaFire guides. You do keep everything relevant and informative for readers.

I will say that your Pros & Cons section really makes me angry (not at you, at the pros not being aligned with the cons), this is more of a OCD thing I have when it comes to text. If it isn't all centered and the same length in each paragraph leaving extra space left, it annoys me, however, if it looks like this review, I love it! (Filler text haha)

Issues with pros & cons

As we start to scroll down, I find it very hard to actually focus, this may just be my eyes/mind but I am constantly having to shake my head and blink trying to find SOMETHING to grip me and allow me to focus, but because everything is this icy blue theme, it's nearly impossible for me. Perhaps try leaving the banners and such the icy blue and simply use a nice greyish bold text or just plain white for each section. This may be just me. I'm weird.

Scrolling more down we see some variations of sizes for videos. Some are larger, some a tiny, some are in spoilers and some are even centered or pushed around in columns. I think it would be great to have more of a consistent usage of the same size like width=650 for videos, while centered or while in a spoiler. Presentation wise here once again, just has me squinting, hurting my eyes. It's good information just... presented to the reader in this case me, a big baby very poorly and I'm trying really hard to read. It's just so clustered together.

Issues with Abilities

Heading past the videos, and into your rune section. It starts to clean up very nicely. A beautiful design of runes and graphs, presented in a well formatted Imagery, Text and Borders presentation that is very easy on the eyes, until you open up the spoiler and get blasted by an array of colors all of a sudden. I think this section could be reimagined talking about only the runes that Liss actually uses while greying out the ones she can not or does not use. If it isn't something she can use try #808080 instead of sudden red & orange, or don't talk about it at all!

While you have a good array of information to provide to your intended reader. It more or less goes multiple places at once. It's hard to focus, things that are important seem to be displayed as a very unimportant way (Abilities reference videos, etc). I would in my opinion from a visual point, definitely try, you don't have to, but try to give some nice visual feel to your guide. Stay consistent, consistent sizes, formats, you get the idea.

I am very meticulous when it comes to things looking their best, even if I have to spend a good 12 hours trying to make it look good. So if you ever need or want some of my advice or thoughts on visuals, just let me know.

~Cat

(101) |

Hey, Thanks for the review!

I figured that you were busy with your own guide, so I decided to just be patient. (I see you adapted your new guide code (style) to the review! Looks neat ;) ) I have a tendency to address all points in reviews so let's get started!

The cheatsheet has been changed, although it came at the cost of being short it definitely added some more depth to the builds. Curious to hear your opinion. I'm a bit reluctant to add champion threats to the cheatsheet itself, as I got a dedicated section further down the guide.

The pros/cons has been uh, fixed. See, this is why I ask for reviews. I can't stand stuff like this either >.> As for visual flair & focus, these are kind of my weak points. I have considerable trouble figuring out how to do stuff like that (laughs in lack of photoshop skills and formatting troubles). That's why I'm so all-in on table coding :p To put it into perspective, coming up with the format takes me 5 hours while making the table takes me about 5 minutes.

The widths of the clips have been made the same (some were set at 350 and others at 400). But I'll ponder a bit on the formatting and whether to change it & how. I understand the comment on the colors in the spoilers of the runes, I'll probably convert the red ones to gray (and the orange ones to something else?) but it needs some time as I intend to adjust some of the images as well.

There is an weird detail in your review though: you mention that the abilities section (I assume part 2), is packed too densely. But a little later you mention that the Item section (still part 2?) is formatted very nicely. Thing is, I formatted those two sections in exactly the same style, so I'm a little confused. Can you pinpoint why you perceive those two sections differently? Also what do you think of the formatting of the gameplay section (part 2?)?

Also, a note about the review itself. Sometimes it's a little hard to figure out what section exactly you're talking about in the review. This is caused by the setup of my guide (as some sections occur twice, with different content). Most of the time I'm able to figure out which ones you mean, except the 'Ability Reference Videos'. Do you mean part 1 or part 2 there?

(87) |

Thanks for the review!
You're welcome.

I figured that you were busy.
Yeah, I tend to get carried away with time when editing and thinking of new things.

I changed the cheat sheet.
It looks much more presentable! Very informative, besides a few notes being missing from the some of them for Lost Chapters & Potions like "This is a cute little book that synergizes well, with mana, damage instead blasting wand."

But I have a dedicated section for Champions!
I'm aware. But some people simply want a threat list, right here. It doesn't have to be informative. This just helps someone currently opening up a game decide if they want to play her. Instead of throwing her right into EXTREME threats unknowingly.

The Pros & Cons is fixed.
Huzzah! My OCD is cured! You don't really need too much knowledge in Photoshop, just simple thinking outside of the box for ideas for banners, you can even use Sketchio if you don't have any video editing software. You could ask for people on forum or in Discord. I am sure many people would like to assist. Especially for and with someone and helpful as you.

A Few minute example

This isn't much. Just how I normally go about things. I did however, luckily have a person step forward, who appreciated the work I put into my community / guide offer high quality Banners and Assets for free, so that's how I got mine :3

The widths of the clips have been made the same. I'll probably convert the red ones to gray (and the orange ones)
Yes! It doesn't hurt as much! A joyous day! Time is all I have. I know how much time goes into making guides and editing.

Abilities packed densely, but, but, but.
It was pretty late, so I may has misread something. But all in all. If I was to change this guide myself. I would have re-done the videos to be more pronounced. They are very important to a guide for simply offering a visual reference. Some people don't do too well with reading literacy. The problem with the LEFT video, RIGHT text, transition to LEFT text, RIGHT video, is the fact that the videos need to be really small to fit the text & video without causing the text to be 6 lines of 5-6 words. So imagine if this review had a Teemo Dab emote in every point, that would unnecessarily push each column into more length.

This is a very rough example

in melee matchups you should look to damage the minions such that your minions have slightly more health than the enemies. This will make the wave slowly push towards the enemy side. Keep lasthitting/maintaining a minion health lead till the wave crashes. While doing this you should look to harass the enemy with autoattacks and/or Ice Shard when they go for CS. Make sure to hit not too many minions with Ice Shard as that may make the wave push too fast.

After hitting the tower the minion wave starts slowpushing back to you. Make sure it does so (do not push it back). Now you have to be a bit careful about harassing because you got less minions around you. Once it comes close to your tower, try to make it so that the enemy has ~3 minions more than you and keep the wave there. If the wave crashes, start slowpushing it to the enemy tower. In case you need to base you can spam Ice Shard on the wave.

Versus ranged matchups you should try to do equal damage to the wave as your opponent. The wave can be slightly on your side or slightly on their side, Glacial Path will keep you relatively safe from ganks. You can look for harass/trades when they go for CS, but focus on farm.

As Lissandra your trades are either quick pokes (autoattacks, Ice Shard) or small rotations where you proc Electrocute. (Auto - Ice Shard - auto; auto - auto - Ice Shard). If melees jump into you ( Ring of Frost - auto - Ice Shard - auto) is common as well.

Either trade when the enemy goes for CS or when one/multiple of their abilities are down. Also be careful around minions, avoid autoattacking the enemy when you're close to the ranged creeps/the enemy minion wave is very big.

Especially in melee matchups, autoattacking is extremely important. Not only weaving them between abilities, but also when the enemy starts retreating. A lot of people scuttle away in fear, but since the enemy just burned all of their abilities you should chase them a bit with autoattacks. This can really make the difference between you trading even/winning the trade and losing it really hard!

Here is a better example

If we put your current example & all other videos together. You can see just how neat and tidy you can truly make things. Ideally how I view guides is like Ease of Access or rather, looking at a stage performance. Enter stage left and exit stage right.

So to go from left to right, then having to jump down from left to right to watch a video last feels, wrong. Which is why I have been changing my format with the upcoming update. This would line everything up with how your sections are broken up.

PS: Cluster break ups are usually just spaces or text / imagery. This gives a ready space to breathe.

Also, a note about the review itself.
It's pretty hard to actually navigate the guide what with there being no Table of Content and in my opinion an overuse of the guides built in ToC. So I end up scrolling through a lot of things that seem to reoccur and also have to scroll through the messy ToC. This may be where we are being confused and I apologize for not listing images last night for reference.

I believe what I meant by this was just all videos showing off the skills as a reference. Which would be both.

Sorry if I missed something in this response. It's currently very early.

~Cat

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(101) |

This is a cute little book that synergizes well, with mana, damage instead blasting wand.
Actually no, I would never consider getting blasting wand before chapter. Hence why I only put chapter there :p

As for all the rest: I have decided on a certain direction (with a lil more colours :p so you should have a easier time orienting yourself) the first changes should be rolling out somewhere next week. Including a TOC in the guide itself so you can zoom around to your hearts' content!

(87) |

Actually no, I would never consider getting blasting wand before chapter.
It's more or less a way for you to tell people that in notes, why. I'm sure people make the mistake when playing her.

MORE STUFF!
Pog! Can't wait!

(1495) |

Hey Kat, here's my official review. It might be on the shorter side since I don't have that much criticism.

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Build

I'd change the titles of your "Electrocute" and "Comet" rune pages to something like "Standard" and "Vs Ranged" to be more descriptive.
You can do the same thing for your Summoner Spells options! :)
Your Notes for Protobelt are a little confusing. It sounds like you can take Manaflow Band to solve your mana issues and skip Luden's entirely, but the rest of your guide doesn't reflect that. I also don't have a super great sense of when to build it as a first item over Luden's (you basically just said that it's cheap and a good item). A situation where it's ideal would be nice.
The parenthetical in your Oblivion Orb notes is unnecessary. It can just be its own sentence.
"In case you don't have full build yet (and no Liandries) get it." <-- I feel like this sentence doesn't make sense (in the Lategame Notes). Also it should be "Liandry's" since it's a possessive.
Any chance you could add in the time to switch to Oracle Lens? After laning phase perhaps?
I'd like to see a more decisive stance on the skill orders. Showing two viable options is good, but I think you put too much faith in your readers to figure out which to pick. Maybe an example where the extra points in E matter would help. Against lots of ranged champs maybe?

Presentation

I love the icons in the Pros & Cons section. The "Short range" icon made me laugh.
I've mentioned it before, but you strike a really good balance between meatier chunks of valuable information and smaller tidbits that are more easily digestible alongside visuals. I hope my guides can become this easy to read in the future.
Really nice format for the summoner spell "slots". The format is really easy to parse so it's obvious at a glance which are the standard summoners and which are more situational. My only concern is that your little paragraph on the left doesn't really match the format, since you call Teleport the standard pick which would make Ignite a situational option.
Kinda weird that in your Electrocute section, you have two paragraphs with no spacing between them, but later on you have space between paragraphs. Maybe just an oversight?
Under the General Teamfight Combo and Pick Combo you have multiple paragraphs with no spacing between them. Up to you if you think it looks better, but it looks a bit weird to me.
"The video to the left explains the Trading Stance" <-- This is wrong; the video is on the right.
The video you have in the "Other Sources on Midlane Fundamentals" spoiler was copyright claimed and doesn't work anymore. :(
You have some inconsistency between using "Self Ult" (usually in headers) and "selfult". I think "self-ult" would also be a viable option. In any case, it'd probably be best to pick one of those 3 and stick with it. Personally I think "selfult" is a little hard to read since people aren't used to seeing that as one word. The hyphenated version makes the most sense imo.
Really cool boxey rating system for the matchups. Maybe I should steal that. >:)

Content

I feel super dumb for not knowing Q only slows the first enemy hit. Good thing you put that in the guide I guess, lmao.
Great ability tips. Little things like walking forward after Ring to land W is exactly what newer Lissandra players need.
Demolish vs roaming assassins is actually galaxy brain.
I feel like there are either too many Inspiration rune options or they aren't explained clearly enough. Cosmic Insight sounds like it's core but you also show Time Warp Tonic as a good option. How should your reader decide between them?
Can you take the scaling HP shard in farm lanes like Malazhar or Morgana?
Kindlegem feels unnecessary to explain. Your reader already has to buy it to complete Protobelt so it's not like they're going to do anything else.
I'm not really sure why you keep mentioning Null-Magic Mantle when talking about Void Staff and MR items. All MR items build out of that component. It's like saying "watch out for lifesteal items, especially ones that build out of Vampiric Scepter."
"Punishing Mistakes" is a great idea for a laning chapter that I don't think I've ever seen before. These are some very fundamental but crucial ideas for succeeding in lane. Great stuff.
There's another pair of paragraphs that aren't spaced under the Roaming section (Ctrl+F: "As I said, not everything is black or white.").
I think this is the first MOBAFire guide I've seen that talks about the Even Minion Rule. Great visuals to demonstrate as well. The entire wave managment section is fantastic.
I can't speak for anyone else, but to my knowledge, "crashing" = getting the wave under tower. If you're specifically making sure the tower fully clears the wave before the next arrives, I'd call that "resetting". The way you have it set up right now makes it seem like "crashing" means resetting the lane, when I've always heard that term used to just mean you got the wave to tower so the enemy can't freeze.
I realize you already have a ton of matchups, but out of selfishness I'd love to see a Nocturne mid matchup breakdown. :)

I think I've praised this guide enough through guide contests, guide feature posts and the like, but I just want to state that I can't possibly include everything I thought was great in this review or it would be way too long. If I didn't mention some parts of the guide, chances are I thought they were totally solid.

Hard to critique such a well-made guide and actually offer useful suggestions, but hopefully you can take a few things away from this review that you can use.

Thanks for taking the obscene amount of time it must have taken to craft this masterpiece. I hope you keep updating this guide for a long time. <3

(101) |

Hey there,

Thanks for the review! I incorporated pretty much all of the feedback, here are some comments/answers:

Building Hextech Rocketbelt depends on preference. The active feels great & helps so much with making plays, gapclosing and whatnot. However building it first ensures that you'll get a mountain of mana issues and building it later than that feels ****ty because of the low AP.
Teleport vs Ignite. AH. Well they changed Teleport recently huh? I thought Ignite would finally be better! Unfortunately the movement speed after tping feels great. Now I know why they gave Lissandra such low base movement speed.
I separated all the self ults. Somehow selfult, self ult and self-ult all look terrible in my eyes, hence why it was so inconsistent :^)
Almost everyone thinks Ice Shard slows everything that is hit by it, hence why I put that tidbit in here!
Taking scaling HP versus scaling lanes would be greedy, if they notice it they can actively look to trade and win those trades because they have the MR shard :(
Well, you know I did some calculations on enemy MR & damage output. One of my conclusions is that Void Staff is the most gold-efficient item as soon your enemy gets a Null-Magic Mantle. Hence my obsession with those...

That was it, thanks again for the review!
As for obscence amounts of time... A Lissandra guide | Purple Edition coming soonTM...
Have a nice day & stay healthy <3

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