1. First things first, Lulu has indeed a great laning phase but it's a bit exaggerated to say "she can counter almost everything". Her levels 1-3 and 6 are great, but it isn't like she counters almost everything in lane - especially looking past these levels. Her problem is that her utility is actually quite mediocre (which is perhaps a bit strange considering she has a slow, heal, shield and speedup/single target cc) because the values don't scale into late game without AP (i.e. a 300-something heal is worth much more in the early game than late game). That makes her very lane-oriented: if you win lane and you can perhaps get an AP item or two she's good, but if you don't she's pretty mediocre.
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Nami, Janna, Bard
Possibly give Trundle a try as well, he's "tanky" but is not really an engage champion as much as he's oriented at utility.
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Nami, Janna, BardPossibly give
Trundle a try as well, he's "tanky" but is not really an engage champion as much as he's oriented at utility.
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I've tried them all, but Janna doesn't seem to work for me. The other three has great poke and hard CC (longer duration than a quick Q from Janna), while Janna is more about defense (or I just played her the wrong way). Do you have any tips to play aggressively as Janna?
Janna relies a lot more on patience and timing (but can be played rather aggressively). You need your ADC to initiate trades (you can theoretically do this yourself but it's much more effective when you can use your spells to follow up and defend the adc), you follow up with E, autoattacks (AA) and possibly Q. An example trade would be Lucian E-AA-Q-AA with your E and Q, once those spells are down you back off and wait for another round. Janna is pretty poor in longer trades because her shield breaks and she's pretty much useless. Your goal with a Janna lane is not to kill but to whittle down the enemy, force them to give up cs and base at inopportune moments. Either way, the playstyles are indeed quite different so it's not strange if you have more succes with the other two. Nami/Bard can put a lot of pressure down on their own while Janna cannot.
Hey Vynertje,
Its me Again, Having 3 questions:
1. I am playing in low elo so what supports do u recommend?
I prefer supports like Thresh, Janna Blitzcrank etc. (Those who can use their abilities aggressive and also defensive)
I have playing Leona just idk why ;3
2. I wanne imrpove on my Tresh but i dont know what i do wrong sometimes any advice on this?
3. When botlane is behind or midlane how can i stop this and turn the game as support?
greetings
EricboyZ
Its me Again, Having 3 questions:
1. I am playing in low elo so what supports do u recommend?
I prefer supports like Thresh, Janna Blitzcrank etc. (Those who can use their abilities aggressive and also defensive)
I have playing Leona just idk why ;3
2. I wanne imrpove on my Tresh but i dont know what i do wrong sometimes any advice on this?
3. When botlane is behind or midlane how can i stop this and turn the game as support?
greetings
EricboyZ
1. Just play whatever you enjoy playing most and have the best performance on. You can carry on any champion as long as you play it well. To play a champion well you need to play it a lot, and to play it a lot without going on tilt you need to enjoy it. Thresh Janna Blitz are all great supports and can work very well if you learn them well.
2. I can't give a very specific answer if your question is as vague as it is, but the trick to finding and fixing mistakes is questioning every move you make. If you or your ADC die, ask yourself why it happened and look critically at your own gameplay. Did you die to a jungler gank, ask yourself whether the wards you placed down were sufficient. Did you die 2v2, what exactly lost you that fight?
3. Again this question is very non-specific so I cannot give a very specific answer either. A more general answer would be to try and stop the bleeding on the losing part of the map. When bot and mid are losing (but top winning), you want to defensively ward up that side of the map and try to avoid fights on that side. Instead, you want your team to play around that winning top laner and try to allow him to carry the game. Another option is to try and isolate the losing lane (if you only have one losing lane) by staying in the 2v2/1v1 to let the two other lanes pressure freely.
2. I can't give a very specific answer if your question is as vague as it is, but the trick to finding and fixing mistakes is questioning every move you make. If you or your ADC die, ask yourself why it happened and look critically at your own gameplay. Did you die to a jungler gank, ask yourself whether the wards you placed down were sufficient. Did you die 2v2, what exactly lost you that fight?
3. Again this question is very non-specific so I cannot give a very specific answer either. A more general answer would be to try and stop the bleeding on the losing part of the map. When bot and mid are losing (but top winning), you want to defensively ward up that side of the map and try to avoid fights on that side. Instead, you want your team to play around that winning top laner and try to allow him to carry the game. Another option is to try and isolate the losing lane (if you only have one losing lane) by staying in the 2v2/1v1 to let the two other lanes pressure freely.
Vynertje wrote:
1. Just play whatever you enjoy playing most and have the best performance on. You can carry on any champion as long as you play it well. To play a champion well you need to play it a lot, and to play it a lot without going on tilt you need to enjoy it. Thresh Janna Blitz are all great supports and can work very well if you learn them well.
2. I can't give a very specific answer if your question is as vague as it is, but the trick to finding and fixing mistakes is questioning every move you make. If you or your ADC die, ask yourself why it happened and look critically at your own gameplay. Did you die to a jungler gank, ask yourself whether the wards you placed down were sufficient. Did you die 2v2, what exactly lost you that fight?
3. Again this question is very non-specific so I cannot give a very specific answer either. A more general answer would be to try and stop the bleeding on the losing part of the map. When bot and mid are losing (but top winning), you want to defensively ward up that side of the map and try to avoid fights on that side. Instead, you want your team to play around that winning top laner and try to allow him to carry the game. Another option is to try and isolate the losing lane (if you only have one losing lane) by staying in the 2v2/1v1 to let the two other lanes pressure freely.
2. I can't give a very specific answer if your question is as vague as it is, but the trick to finding and fixing mistakes is questioning every move you make. If you or your ADC die, ask yourself why it happened and look critically at your own gameplay. Did you die to a jungler gank, ask yourself whether the wards you placed down were sufficient. Did you die 2v2, what exactly lost you that fight?
3. Again this question is very non-specific so I cannot give a very specific answer either. A more general answer would be to try and stop the bleeding on the losing part of the map. When bot and mid are losing (but top winning), you want to defensively ward up that side of the map and try to avoid fights on that side. Instead, you want your team to play around that winning top laner and try to allow him to carry the game. Another option is to try and isolate the losing lane (if you only have one losing lane) by staying in the 2v2/1v1 to let the two other lanes pressure freely.
I mean at the 2nd queston i ward the most of my team but i just feel like im useless and when i engage we follow but somehow we lose the fight, i engage as Trhesh onta their adc, who dies, i go back to peel for my adcarry and we lose the fight so do u have any tips regarding to what is best to do in teamfight when playing Thresh or blitzcrank specifically?
And at the 3rd question i mean how should i play when im behind as Thresh, Blitzcrank and Janna?
As annoying as it may be to you, I still cannot give a much more specific answer than "depends on the situation" because there are so many different situations. Sometimes you can just go ham on the enemy team and don't have to look back because you can snowball the teamfight on a single play. Sometimes you don't want to follow up on your Q at all and stay next to your ADC at all times. To be as specific as possible, in a close teamfight I'd try and stay next to your own ADC fas much as possible and only use your hooks for the CC, not for the opportunity to follow up on it (unless you're 100% sure its a kill).
Only for blitzcrank the answer is a bit more simple because he's very one-dimensional in his playstyle. You want to lurk for a hook at the beginning of a teamfight, if it succeeds you want to blow up that guy asap with your team, if not you're just looking to tank as much damage and peel for your ADC. In general he's a very poor teamfighter though and you should avoid them and only lurk for hooks instead.
To your 3rd question, just like any other support: avoid large fights, ward defensively, try to spot map movements and follow up on them or make picks while people are rotating through your jungle. You can still try and go for hooks but only if you can blow them up before the rest of the enemy team can follow up. With Janna it's a bit harder because she has no offensive spells, instead you should just try to react to opponents' aggression and defend the lanes in need.
I hope this is clear, it's a bit unstructured because I'm just writing up some thoughts. Feel free to ask clarification on specific parts if anything is unclear.
Only for blitzcrank the answer is a bit more simple because he's very one-dimensional in his playstyle. You want to lurk for a hook at the beginning of a teamfight, if it succeeds you want to blow up that guy asap with your team, if not you're just looking to tank as much damage and peel for your ADC. In general he's a very poor teamfighter though and you should avoid them and only lurk for hooks instead.
To your 3rd question, just like any other support: avoid large fights, ward defensively, try to spot map movements and follow up on them or make picks while people are rotating through your jungle. You can still try and go for hooks but only if you can blow them up before the rest of the enemy team can follow up. With Janna it's a bit harder because she has no offensive spells, instead you should just try to react to opponents' aggression and defend the lanes in need.
I hope this is clear, it's a bit unstructured because I'm just writing up some thoughts. Feel free to ask clarification on specific parts if anything is unclear.
EricboyZ wrote:
Hey Vynertje,
Its me Again, Having 3 questions:
1. I am playing in low elo so what supports do u recommend?
Its me Again, Having 3 questions:
1. I am playing in low elo so what supports do u recommend?
V responded to this saying "play what you want if you play it well".
By definition though... you are low ELO because you don't play it well.
So while Janna has a great win rate --- its because people play her well and her teamates react well to her actions.
If you bring Janna into Bronze Silver --- Someone is going to stun you and then you are going to die.
You will probably be out of position, don't dodge well, dont have good vision, or your team won't react to save you. Late game if you are Janna support your frontline is going to be weak as hell and your team is going make terrible decisions so in the 5v5 fights you will probably be at a disadvantage.
Good engage is going to be more effecitive than good disengage at low levels.
Also --- your team is too dumb to realize you shielded them -- so they waste it. Unlike a Leona who everyone recognizes just engaged and stunned when she E + Q's the enemy.
So, while Janna is a god level support diamonds love her --- in low level she is a squishy tornado thrower. (Hmm why did Janna just R the enemy Mord onto our ADC --- cause bronze league)
There are far simpler supports in low level that have a lot more forgiveness for mistakes.
Thresh, Leona, Nautilus. Big ole tanks that can engage or save your carries with hard CC.
Its just like Master Yi in reverse--- sure he seems OP at low level but higher ranked players never play him.
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3. When botlane is behind or midlane how can i stop this and turn the game as support?
Roam. When your ADC' backs and if your not hurting --- roam mid --- it picks up lots of good plays in low level (high level 2 I assume, but in low level they don't expect it)
Also if you roam mid and get a kill --- their Mid will rage on his own team and go on Tilt.
P.S. I am in low level and have tried all the supports, poorly, but the Tanks are probably going to fit in with the team skill levels better and you can still make nice plays.
I used to care about KDA, now I care about CS and Objectives.
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>V responded to this saying "play what you want if you play it well"
no, I said play whatever you enjoy playing and have decent results on. Practice = key. To get a lot of practice in you need to enjoy the champ else you're going to be burnt out very quickly. If there's a champ you enjoy and you feel like you're having good results on that champ, it should be your personal priority pick. The more you play/practice it, the better you will become at it and the easier it will be to climb.
Secondly, your post is full of **** and I would like to ask you to remove it or at the very least reconsider some of the statements. It's true that if you want to snowball a noob team as a good player it's better to take a snowbally champion, but if you're roughly the same skill level as your team/the enemy team there aren't really any bad picks. You're like talking about a good Leona (who picks good engages and has her team follow up) versus a bad janna (who ****s up all her ults). Leona can **** up just as hard by picking 4v5 engages, and Janna can just as well do a great job by preventing her noob teammates from dying 24/7.
>V responded to this saying "play what you want if you play it well"
no, I said play whatever you enjoy playing and have decent results on. Practice = key. To get a lot of practice in you need to enjoy the champ else you're going to be burnt out very quickly. If there's a champ you enjoy and you feel like you're having good results on that champ, it should be your personal priority pick. The more you play/practice it, the better you will become at it and the easier it will be to climb.
Secondly, your post is full of **** and I would like to ask you to remove it or at the very least reconsider some of the statements. It's true that if you want to snowball a noob team as a good player it's better to take a snowbally champion, but if you're roughly the same skill level as your team/the enemy team there aren't really any bad picks. You're like talking about a good Leona (who picks good engages and has her team follow up) versus a bad janna (who ****s up all her ults). Leona can **** up just as hard by picking 4v5 engages, and Janna can just as well do a great job by preventing her noob teammates from dying 24/7.
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1. Is Lulu support not good or pros prefer top/mid Lulu with high AP? I means, she can counter almost everything if you know how to play her.
2. I'm looking for some high utility support (preferably not tank, i suck with tanky supports), both offense and defense. Any recommendation?