Kai'Sa Build Guide : Vapora Dark In-Depth ADC Kai'Sa Guide Season 11

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neat

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✄ good✄

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I'm a bit dazzled as there are as many opinions as there are responders. Is is worth rushing Q evolve before Kraken Slayer and boots or does Kraken+Berserker give more DPS in the long run than the early evolve?

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Most people prefer to rush Q evolve with an early + the AD components of .

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that helped me thx

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Glad to hear. :)

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I usually use GG for rune builds and this one was really similar except for the Triumph, and I think the build with Tri is more sustainable so thanks lol

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I really like this guide!

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Great guide -- helped me to understand Kai'Sa itemization and ability usage tremendously. Thanks!

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great for begginers

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Пиздатый билд

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this guide helped me a lot when playing Kai'sa, thank u ^^

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On the updated guide for season 11, due to the runan changes, q doesn't evolve in the AP build.

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Thank you so much for the guide! It has helped me feel more confident on her but I struggle with her utility score. What should I be doing with her to help that? thank you!

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has a very low utility score in general because she has no CC in her kit, it's not a number you should be aiming to pump up.

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Thank you for replying! What should I focus with her to get an S rank? I get an A- at the highest. My kill participation is high and my KDA seems to be good, but I constantly get low ranks. I also try to ward as best I can.

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The most important thing to focus on is CS, the average player averages very low CS/min so if you have good CS/min it's an easy way to get an S if you have an otherwise decent game.

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Thank you so much!!

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I have to disagree with some things in your guide Vapora. I know you're diamond and all but please take into consideration upcoming item changes like the patch 8.6 rework which removes AP from the item , it gives +50AD instead and it now gives the Guinsoo's Rage passive on 8 stacks instead of 6. And the rune isn't the best Kai'sa can use to be honest, especially since 8.5 nerf. Also I'm 100% sure you want the +100AP to upgrade your W to apply 3 stacks instead of 2 in any situation. People seem to misunderstand the fact that Kai'sa's a spellcaster more than an autoattack focused champion. Overall great guide, I'd love to know how to add such colorful lines and make mine more lively.

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The changes aren't final and they're still applicable in this patch.

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I still feel isn't the best item for her, gold efficiency and all that yadda yadda and even if they're not final the nerf to the item is still coming.

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And when the nerf goes through I'll re-evaluate whether the item is still worth building, but for now people want to know the best way to build Kai'sa on this patch, and this is what I think is best. Statistically it's also her highest winrate first item.

As for , on top of it being her highest winrate rune, I was told by an LCS ADC that should take , sooooooo.

The same LCS ADC also says you shouldn't upgrade W, since it'd be really stupid to build AP on an ADC just to get a minor upgrade to her least important spell.

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Being in the LCS isn't such a big deal.Heck give me enough time to play all day and I can easily get into Challenger in a year. Anyone can get into LCS with a bit of money or connections tbh, like Diamondprox from the good old Moscow5, he wasn't that great but he got picked, same goes for our good old Dyrus, he wasn't that good performing in the LCS but he's popular . It's not like LCS players are the best. They may be part of the best teams but they're not necessarily the best players. So this argument is irrelevant. Buying as your first item is bad for every ADC unless you're Imaqtpie with inhuman reactions ofcourse. This item's just going to force your team to play around you and keep you in the game as I've done with over 75% of the ADC's I've had in over 200 games just this season. This as your first item may be good but it's not for Solo Queue ranked play, unless you play in a Duo with someone you can trust to peel for you. Also why is it stupid to build AP on an ADC when your passive literally scales of off AP? Can I get the name of said LCS player? Tell him a 7 years league veteran would love to hear him out. If you're gonna take a T1 precision rune you might as well get since it's better for your damage and you're not gonna be needing the nerfed sustain gives you if you play the lane phase correctly. Also how is her W her least important spell? I'd say it's flat out better than her E and Q since it applies 3 passive stacks when upgraded and this champion's all about passive management for damage output.
Also if we're gonna talk about statistics, this champion literally has a small amount of games played on live servers as it literally just came out. So how can you base something off of statistics when there's not enough data yet?

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I agree with Razsagoth.. is just a bad item to start with. I dunno but I also think it depends on your playstyle anyway.. I've been playing kaisa by rushing nashor's tooth first and guinsoo right after it. Because I think rushing nashor's tooth can build a lot of tempo in the early game giving you an advantage over the enemy ADC :)

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Yikes...

Aside from the fact her entire kit synergies incredibly well with the current version of Rageblade but...

Actually don't worry about it.

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You can yikes all you want but the fact is rageblade's too expensive as a first item and Imaqtpie even says it in one of his videos, gunblade and guinsoo's too expensive, unrealistic items that many build on her , so you don't think I'm trolling or something here's a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1daXKXtPEM&ab_channel=Imaqtpie and no i'm not a big qt fan. Guess I'm wasting my time here. So how bout that LCS player name huh ? tell him to contact me, a lowly gold elo player who's been playing for 7 years and has a lot of game knowledge just not the time to rank all the way up to diamond like you guys since i have a normal 3 shifts job. Even though i will hit diamond this season as i'm taking league a bit more seriously now. Heck I'll even transition from jungle back to my season 3 main role , ADC , I'll even main Kai'Sa to prove is flat out better if you go with precision as your main path. I'd like some solid arguments as to why this is better than flat out normal ADC AD+attack speed+crit but you're not giving me any tbh. Synergy is there but gold cost-efficiency is nowhere to be found and games tend to end before 25-30 minutes nowadays.

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Considering the fact that Guinsoo is bought as a 1 item power spike over the traditional crit IE double zeal build that needs 3 items to really shine, I don't know how you can say it's too expensive for your first item. Also, your argument for PTA > Fleet is also applicable to all other AD carries, but you don't see them taking it, do you?

Edit: Twitch can actually go PTA, forgot about that.

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But he's right? Press the attack is better overall if you know how to play the lane without taking necessary damage. And for guinsoo to work you need to know how to play safe and get your team around you which i have to agree in solo q doesnt happen. And no the traditional crit build doesnt need 3 items unless you cant play. Runaan's or stattik shiv is usually the first power spike if you can play the role. And to be fair the guy did have solid arguments which you guys dont seem to besides taking the word of some LCS player which again doesnt mean hes good just because hes in the LCS.

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Don't really know where you're going with this. People who take Fleet only do it because they're insecure is what you're implying? Good luck getting close to the creep wave against a Caitlyn with your pitiful 500 range, I'm sure you'll be glad you went PTA then. Her range is exactly why people are jungling her over playing her in her intended role: she has nothing to compensate for that.

How exactly does Guinsoo build imply you're going to need to play safer/require more peel? You're actually going to be stronger early-mid with it than with a crit build, the strength of which takes longer to ramp up (2-3 items before it really kicks in); Guinsoo is better as a single item. One thing I'm really curious about is your claim how your first zeal item would be a power spike only if you can play the role (You seem to be emphasizing one's (in)ability to play AD carry quite a bit here for some reason. Can you play it?).

You're also saying that we're blindly agreeing with some X LCS player and dismissing your friend's (yes, we can all see when your account was created and whose Kai'Sa guide you upvoted) claims, even though we, according to you, shouldn't. Why is that? You're gonna have to be a bit more specific here.

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Wait was this aimed at me? All i did was agree with facts and i loved his guides since they're good lol what are we kids? Can we not be cringy on the internet? I hate guinsoo on kaisa myself cause i dont like how it feels. Got a problem with that? Also i created my account to get a skin in february but i cant be botjhered to make a guide. What does that have to do with anything?

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So besides the fact that there's no argument other than this LCS guy told me and statistics which to be fair isn't enough data yet I'm not getting a sold answer as to why would I buy Guinsoo as my first item and lose lane over the traditional crit build which Lady Amelyne who obviously is some kind of mobafire internet friend of Vicious Skittle and our Vapora Dark over here, cause you guys love to defend eachother, pointed out that you need 3 items for a power spike... dude or lady come on... it's a crit build, 1 item's enough for cost-efficiency as it already adds a decent power spike and it's way less gold, you don't have to rely on 3 out of 4 other people to help you lane either unlike with guinsoo first. Press the attack is an overall flat out better rune if you know how to play the lane phase as an adc , there's no doubt about it. Statistics don't mean anything to me since over 70% of the league of legends masses can't play the game properly.
Your commendation was an insult by the way Vapora. If you're gonna commend me for something read one of my guides and to it the right way not just to insult me you ignorant diamond elo player.

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How would you lose to the crit build, you're literally being told how Guinsoo is stronger in lane and early on in general, whereas crit scales better. You keep talking about cost-efficiency but your understanding of said concept is lacking. If you're really going to argue that PTA is always going to be superior to Fleet, then sorry, but I cannot take you seriously. You in your own guide recommend Phase Rush, how come you're not advocating it here so adamantly?

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Why are you all disagreeing with him lol, is clearly a bad first item. EVEN before the recent nerfs on it. I can't see why it is a good first item to begin with. Sure it is her best core scaling item BUT it is still a scaling item? If you don't have anything for it to scale off then it is incredibly inefficient for the gold. Rageblade was changed to become a better scaling item, NOT a first rush item lol. And please, do mind that Kai'sa benefits more from rushing her Q evolve, so Rageblade as the first item doesn't help much with this.

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Hey! Although may seem like a scaling item, which is what Riot has tried to balance it towards, it's always had the issue of being a very strong first item powerspike as well, an issue which has made users crowd out crit users for a while.

People disagree with Razsagoth because what he said was quite simply wrong, and rather than changing his mind about the things he was wrong about, he would just double down on it. Like the sentence "I'm not getting a solid answer as to why would I buy Guinsoo as my first item and lose lane over the traditional crit build" doesn't make any sense when everyone from me to LCS players to Faker can tell you that is a much better item in laning phase than crit items are, but Razsagoth continued to argue on the basis that is a weak laning item compared to crit items. It's hard to have a constructive argument when one person refuses to change their stance on a subject as easily proven as that, and that's why discussion with Razsagoth went the way it did.

To see that is a strong first item all you need to do is look at www.probuilds.net and LCS/LCK/LPL games across the globe where you'll see that any champion that builds builds it as a first item. You also have the impressions of me and other more reputable players where we can tell just by feel how much stronger is as a 1 item powerspike compared to crit, traditionally the whole point of which is that it's weak as just 1 item but gets a lot stronger once you have 2-3 to work off of each other.

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Please don't I've been playing adc since season 1. The understanding and knowledge is here. I've been playing with on caitlynn before the youtubers and streamers even started saying guinsoo's not a troll adc item. The only way I see guinsoo good in lane is if you're good at what you're doing and not folowing guides to int in solo q like many others do.Guinsoo literally makes you lose lane as your items are garbage until you finish it and even then you're forced to stack it to get value off of it. You force your support into doing all the job for you and the jungler into camping for you. And unlike with guinsoo which is 3600g you can easily have + at 3900 gold and be better in lane and have more immediate damage as it doesn't require you to stack 6 times + you're halfway into . I've had more guinsooo games drag on to 50 minutes than i can count whereas with 3 crit items i've ended the majority within 25-30 minutes as one random crit at 30% can easily win you the figth.
Unless you're saying is good on Varus or Kog'maw which is true, this as a first item is really good as they already do a lot of magic damage on basic attacks I don't see why you'd say guinsoo first over a statikk shiv+BF. I also have in my guide and yes it's always going to be superior on an ADC in all cases but Draven which uses or but please go on with your nonsense and defending eachother, it's entertaining. Did you even read the guide? Cause you smell like a hater to me since I've dared to say such things on Vapora's guide. Here I'll give yah a link to make it easier on you since you went and brought it up. https://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/in-depth-guide-to-kaisa-the-void-daughter-525519

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pointed out that you need 3 items for a power spike... dude or lady come on... it's a crit build, 1 item's enough for cost-efficiency as it already adds a decent power spike and it's way less gold, you don't have to rely on 3 out of 4 other people to help you lane either unlike with guinsoo first.

I don't think you understand how power spikes work. The point of a crit build is scaling and its build path (aside from maybe the first 2000 gold) is weaker than a Guinsoo build until you hit 3-4 items. The part about having to rely on people to help you out if you build Guinsoo's doesn't really make sense because you don't gain much more from the crit components. (people generally build BF sword before shiv, which at 3600 gold leaves you at BF sword + zeal, much weaker than a completed Guinsoo's) That being said, I don't agree with building Guinsoo first either, but that's a different thing entirely.

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Press the attack is an overall flat out better rune if you know how to play the lane phase as an adc , there's no doubt about it. Statistics don't mean anything to me since over 70% of the league of legends masses can't play the game properly.

This is a completely false statement. Press the Attack and Fleet Footwork are two completely different runes that serve completely different puproses. Now if you actually did know how to play the lane phase as an ad carry, you'd also know that a 500 range ad carry with no escapes or any real way to defend herself will very rarely be able to get 3 auto attacks off to proc press the attack without getting severely punished by not only the minions, but also by the ad carry who outranges you and the enemy support who's thinking "what the hell is this guy doing".
Simply put, while on paper press the attack obviously is a good rune for damage, you are not going to find favorable trades with it in lane on an ad carry with such low range against competent players. Without the sustain from Fleet Footwork, you will get punished way too hard whether you know how to play the lane or not, because you have to assume your opponents know how to play as well.

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I'm sorry but if you have problems sustaining in lane why not start and get an overall better rune for your damage? since that's what you want, especially now since got nerfed and it barely heals you anymore. Yes the rune was better before patch 8.5 but it's not the case anymore. I don't think you quite know what you're talking about. I'm playing against plats and diamonds in gold 1, I always expect ganks and return damage and I'm not taking so what's your point exactly? I just played against jhin+zilean with on kai'sa , I don't see how would've won me that game but I won this way easily even with some lane struggle.
About power spikes... oh boy here we go again. I'm not gonna bother with some "high elo" player thinking he's better just because he's on higher elo. Skill is not the dominant factor in solo q that gets you into higher elo just a heads up. Being an ADC main for more than 2 years I think I'd know what I'm talking about. I've mained every single role including support so I have the knowledge, stop trying to tell me I don't cause it's not going to work. I'm still waiting on a solid argument btw and you guys ain't giving me one. Oh and btw works best with a crit build not with guinsoo, just fyi.

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Please don't make me look you up...
Also, yes, you do start shield most of the time. Shield and Fleet aren't mutually exclusive.

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Look me up , I have multiple accounts in multiple elo's it's not like it matters to me. I'm waiting on that argument. Something I've forgot to say, about that range and trading. Vayne can easily beat Caitlynn even though her range is lower so what's your point again? I'm gonna stop here as this is getting boring,everyone with their own opinions I guess.

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Vayne can easily beat Caitlynn even though her range is lower

yeah let's end it on this quote right here

maybe just stick to warwick

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Lol. all i'm gonna say to this.