How much AP should you get before buying...

[quote=evolvedpikachu]So, quick generic question here. I usually get Rabadon's after my first AP item (which is usually 80 AP), but I was wondering if I should actually get another item before buying it. Assuming that I use mages like Annie and Veigar, when is it a good time to get Rabadon's?[/quote]

[quote=Joxuu]I'm not a mid lane main but I think rabadon's is good enough as 2nd or 3rd ap item, depending on your needs.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy]It is of course champion dependant, on some champs I'll even get it as first while others benefit more from other items first. About your examples... I'd say [[Annie]] likes [[Rod of Ages]] first while [[Veigar]] prefers to build an [[Athene's Unholy Grail]] as first item. For both champs I'd buy [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] second![/quote]

[quote=windmills]Every game get mejai's soulstealer then get 4 rabadons for tons of AP. Assuming you get kills like me, you can dominate everyone. That's what I do and win every time. I get enough gold to do this by not buying wards or health pots.[/quote]

[quote=evolvedpikachu]@windmills do u also git 5 mana pots evry bak? i also git sword of the occult cuz my aa's do so much.[/quote]

[quote=Re4XN][quote=windmills]Every game get mejai's soulstealer then get 4 rabadons for tons of AP. Assuming you get kills like me, you can dominate everyone. That's what I do and win every time. I get enough gold to do this by not buying wards or health pots.[/quote] Err... Hmmm... Err?... 4 [[Rabadon's Deathcap]]? Seriosuly man? First of all, the 30% Passive doesn't stack. Second, if you want more Ability Power, how about a [[Luden's Echo]] + [[Zhonya's Hourglass]]? Those items alone, in addition to the Cap give you 468 AP. On the other hand, if you were to build 3 [[Rabadon's Deathcap]]s you'd have the same amount of AP, but the passives would be completely wasted! You can get far more useful items instead of stacking Rabadon's... Third, [[Mejai's Soulstealer]] is a very high-risk high-reward item where you have to be, literally, fed as fuk to make anything useful out of it, because stacks don't fall from the sky, not to mention you lose half your stacks on death (meaning that if you're not able to stack, your enemy will get ahead of you in both kills and items). I know some people won't take your post seriously (^looks up^), but consider what I just said and you might have a pleasant surprise next game.[/quote]

[quote=ThePreserver]@Re4XN, don't mind windmills, he has a tendency to post this 4 [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] mess everywhere, along with his constant posts about [[Mordekaiser]] and not buying wards and jungle items because it costs gold.[/quote]

[quote=The Giratina]I would generally say when you hit the 200-300 ap mark (Not including the 120 ap from RabCap). When you reach 200 to 250 ap (Rounding down), you get anywhere from 416 to 481 ap which is a huge powerspike. It increases even more at 300 ap.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Rabadon's is almost always inefficient until your 4th item. It is sometimes useful 3rd, but not before that.[/quote]

[quote=ThePreserver][quote=H4xDefender]Rabadon's is almost always inefficient until your 4th item. It is sometimes useful 3rd, but not before that.[/quote] Not necessarily. If you're someone that could benefit greatly from movement speed and AP, there are several occassions where getting this early as a second item could prove worthwhile. On more than a few instances, I've done [[Aether Wisp]] + [[Needlessly Large Rod]] on a [[Vladimir]] to build into a [[Luden's Echo]], but after basic boots and winning in lane, I go straight into [[Rabadon's Deathcap]] and delay [[Luden's Echo]] until I've finished my [[Spirit Visage]] + [[Thornmail]] combo. Really makes you hard to deal with for the latter half of the game as every item you buy thereafter gives you a +30% AP boost.[/quote]