What about Nashor's tooth? I rush it as my first item and generally find it quite a decent item. AP, AS, CDR, which I feel Kayle needs as a champion (spamming your E)

Hey, I really like your guide and I also had an inquiry about a mid lane matchup that I have had difficulty with. The other day I played against a Lux mid, and I was going for an all AP build. She outranges me on nearly all of her spells and her stun made it really difficult for me to get any farm early on, and made me really susceptible to ganks early since kayle is slow as dirt even with slowing down with her q its not difficult for junglers like yi, or udyr to come in and wreck.
Is there a particular way you would play against Lux or some general tips you could give?
Thanks a bumch and great work on the guide!

Sorry for taking so long Kazraan, I've been sort of here and there. Anyway, AD marks or Hybrid marks both work (or even AP Marks) but I'm pretty sure the AP/hybrid will be the best. About your early game, it'll depend on your runes and the opponent's items as well, but after the first recall you should dish considerable damage. As for all in champs you really need to know how to play through practice, Riven requires a great Q timing and perception of her moving about (don't Q unless she goes in, harass with E), gap close champs need you to Q after they gap close so you can get some distance, etc.

Don't overcommit to E, you have to understand Q will always be the key damage. Try farming without E when possible or just absolutely last hitting, specially top, because top is the easiest lane to gank.


@ShadyGecko13 I'll try to add, I haven't had, unfortunately, experience against Jayce, and the Xin matchup was a bit outdated, he's quite doable if you do as you said (Q+W). He should be low enough that if he tries to go all in he'll die and you'll survive after a bit in lane, the only minor danger is if he charges three talon so he gets only two hits needed for the knock, but even then you can disengage.

Note: Overall I need to update the entire guide, it's a long and painful process though

I'm looking at adding Kayle to my top arsenal and this guide was very informative. Great job.
You said you were taking requests for top champions, so I must say a spot on Jayce would be nice. Also, you mention Xin Zhao being a hard match up, but you never give any advice on it. So I guess I'll request him too haha. I'm assuming you would just look to Q W away every time he charges in for the Three Talon Strike, avoiding the knock up, then harass back with E.

okay, just found out part of my early game problems might be the fact that I had AS runes in place of the hybrid pen runes... not sure how that happened, but either way, would AD marks work better for early game?

Hello again Falseogod, back to pick your mind again.

I've recently started ranked gameplay, and hybrid Kayle has been my top choice. I am doing fairly well, but I have noticed that my early game is not as strong as I would like, both top and mid lane. I tend to try and play defensively, farming my lane, and taking my openings when they are available, but I find I am having two different problems lately. The 1st is against early, over-aggressive laners, like Xin Zhao or Riven, who try to go all in pre lvl 3 or so, and if I comply or screw up, I generally loose. The 2nd is that I over-push my lane constantly, since I am so focused on farming and minor harass on my opponent.

For the first issue, I was wondering if making a few runepage changes would work, namely going AD marks for extra oomf, and Lifesteal Quints. (I have read a few ADC guides who recommend going lifesteal to help sustain in and out of exchanges, and since hybrid Kayle is similar to a carry, I wondered if it could work).

The 2nd, as my buddy is currently pointing out, might be because I overcommit to E, putting more than 1 rank into it early game.

Just curious, why start Flask over Doran's Ring? I understand that you can't afford a Ring and a ward, but if you're in mid lane you don't usually need to ward early unless you push the lane.

Ok, sorry for the delays in answering:

@ggram I am not really sure, I'm not the mathdoer of the guide D: Just activate Ghostblade before E and it can have the full melee duration.

@shldz88: Get MR and fast lifesteal, something like a vamp scepter and a hexdrinker. Be very aggressive at early levels, make him blow mana without having time to keep up with his passive.

@Yaripon: Survivability item, probably. You can go from guardian angel to frozen mallet or other stuff like banshee's veil vs situational strong cc (veigar, ashe) quicksilver sash versus stuff like mordekaiser warwick skarner leona (stunlockers)

Kayle

Hey. I build Kayle always as Hybrid and I buy Berserker's Shoes, Nashor's Tooth, Guinsoo, Hextech Gunblade and Wit's End. I don't know what to buy as zhe 6th item, cuz before the Malady has been removed. Can you recommend me any ideas for the 6th Item?