you should probably add ludens echo in the build, i wouldn't say its a must have item, but its a very very good item on just about any ap carry. gives nice burst

Rylais third best item for AP casters? Did I read that right...?

Is Hybrid penetration Mark bad on Tf ? i just though cuz his E and W and normal autoattacks

and im just asking xd

so im really new to mobafire (have looked up a couple of guides before but never made an account) and I just came across your tf guide when I just lost a TF game horribly... I now have some hope for me ever winning a game with TF, but while I try to do that, I think I have found some mistakes in the standard section of the build: first I think in your chapter 7: Items, why? you have given two dorans rings as the recommended first back but in the quick overview above your guide you say that you have removed the double dorans and replaced it with a sheen. maybe you should look at that.

Also in ch 7 you have written that death cap gives 140 ap, but it gives 120 if im right.

as for the rest of the guide, its really good! I'm gonna try this way of TF soon and maybe I won't be crying in a corner afterwards :D

PS: Also due to me being new to mobafire i cant seem to figure out how to vote (i know im dumb but oh well, might as well ask) i have clicked the plus button below the views in the top right corner of the screen but nothing seems to happen :(

Good guide, maybe the first time I've played well as TF, lol

Thanks for the guide! Personally I like to swap out the Blasting Wand for the Athene's Unholy Grail (upgraded Chalice of Harmony) when they don't stack much MR though. I've been having excellent results!

Just a question it says get Gylph of Ability Power but when you explain the runes you say to get Glyph of Scaling Mana? Which one is it? Also it says to get Seal of Scaling Health but when you explain it you get Seal of Armor

It's a nice guide been using the item setup, however I feel like there should be a situation tab. I know most tf player don't like abbysal sceptre BUT it a good item if you're going against AP users who like to get up in your faces Like kassidan and Akali. Not only that, it's also well worth investment on the mag resistance. Although there are better items then this however I consider this a situational item more than anything.

Hey, So im curious as to what it is that you believe makes the runes and masteries horrible, id love some constructive critisism :P.

Second I had it set so that you had to comment to vote. Hoping to avoid trolls

runes and summoner spells are horrible

and I can't understand why there are so many comments from people who only have posted once

Thank You!
To answer your question, they recently patched the blue card and reduced the amount of mana given. So, Leveling your W will increase mana gain greatly, however your damage will be much lower than your Q, your poke will be extremely diminished and you will have to get much closer to do damage, which is a hazard in the current meta due to the fact that fast and hard hitting champions with closer range are very popular (IE Yasuo and Syndra and so on). Also, chalice of harmony can be used, however it reduces your early game damage greatly. The dorans ring is supposed to help with early mana problems and TF doesnt really have any mana problems going into mid game. So its a trade off I dont typicaly find worth it, however if you really feel comfortable spamming and want to try to make up for the lack of damage with frequency, go for it, its a different playstyle. Also, to the Mark of magic pen, I would have to say that it is a great idea to go magic pen, however a lot of new TF players tend to feel better with having more AP, as it does effect the game more and more as you go to mid game and it helps to supplement the lack of early AP. But I myself run Marks of Magic Pen myself.

Your guide is very nice and easy to read :D

I would like to ask if it's possible to max w and how it would affect playstyle. From what I've experienced maxing q seems to end up with me running out of mana even when casting blue card whenever possible. I haven't played many games with TF so I'm not sure if it's better to max w or get Chalice of Harmony.

Also I don't see people using Greater Mark of Scaling Ability Power very often, usually it's Greater Mark of Magic Penetration because the flat pen helps throughout all stages of the game.