Last Whisper vs. Void Staff

[quote=theBMB]Is it just me or does [[Void Staff]] seem much more useful than [[last whisper]] even though they are essentially the same item for different roles? I say this because casters use all of their abilities at once, and void staff makes it that much more likely that you'll one shot that champ instead of getting him low and then waiting for cooldowns to refresh. Void staff seems useful regardless of whether the enemy is building mr or not. With Last Whisper, you make your pokes stronger, I don't doubt that, but at the same time that only seems useful for taking down burly foes, who you shouldn't be focusing anyway. tl;dr - void staff seems to increase damage output more than last whisper does.[/quote]

[quote=Mastarwe]nah, armor scales with level on every champ, mr does not. And if you're an AD carry (the only type getting lw) your damage will be way more consistent and the crits will be higher. Both are equally good, considering AD is not as easy to get high as AP.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]They need to give Last Whisper more AD. I think that's what makes it so weak. It's not comparable to Black Cleaver at the moment. X3[/quote]

[quote=Adovid][[Void staff]] also increases the effectiveness of magic damage items like [[Madred's Bloodrazor]] or [[Thornmail]].[/quote]

[quote=Jebus McAzn]You probably shouldn't be buying Bloodrazor or Thornmail on MOST CHAMPIONS that you buy a Void Staff on. Kog'Maw being a rare exception. Void Staff is excellent for magic burst. Last Whisper is excellent for improving overall DPS. Especially on AD champions with AD abilities, which Cleaver does not affect without getting an autoattack off first.[/quote]

[quote=theBMB]Ya I like black cleaver because it provides more damage and attack speed for only 600 more gold. The armor reduction isn't instant, but it serves the same purpose, and allows your team to deal extra damage too. For its price, the damage on last whisper is rather lackluster. I think an important point of distinction is that AD champs need A LOT of AD to really dish out damage, so having 40% penetration when you have relatively low AD isn't that useful. On the other hand, the base damage on AP abilities is high enough that the void staff will always have a significant effect.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]But as mentioned previously, you are more sustained with AD, and you shouldn't get LW till one of your last items, so if you are an AD carry you will probably have around 250-300 AD by the time you get it, and everyone will have more armor; it helps, trust me...just depends on the situation, really. I mean there is a reason that Chaox always gets LW and not BC. btw Mastar, MRes DOES scale on SOME champs, like 20 or so. From LoL wikia: Most champions do not gain MR as they level, remaining at base 30 MR from the beginning to the end of the game. However, there are some champions who gain MR as they level. The champions who do gain MR per level will have from 43 to 54 base MR at level 18; these champions are: Akali Blitzcrank Dr. Mundo Evelynn Gangplank Garen Irelia Jarvan IV Jax Kassadin Katarina Lee Sin Malphite Master Yi Mordekaiser Nasus Nidalee Nocturne Olaf Pantheon Renekton Rumble Shaco Trundle Tryndamere Udyr Warwick Xin Zhao Yorick[/quote]

[quote=Searz]There are other good choices for armor penetration than Last Whisper. Most notably [[Youmuu's Ghostblade]] and [[The Black Cleaver]]. In MrP there's only [[Abyssal Scepter]] that is good. [[Haunting Guise]] just isn't very good.. About the whole "you gain armor per level" thing: That may be the case, but most champions balance out their resistances through items anyway.[/quote]

[quote=wRAthoFVuLK]Abyssal is MRReduction, not MrP you don't think void is good...?[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Read properly >.> "OTHER CHOICES" MR reduction works pretty much the same way as MrP since it's just 20.[/quote]