With the recent Warmogs nerf...

[quote=example1013][quote=Zeprido] [quote=example1013] How about this for a TLDR: Warmog's, Randuin's, Atma's 300 more gold than yours LESS: 50 MR, effect shield, 375 Mana MORE: 895 HP, 40 HP/5, and ~17 AD You're talking about using 2 items to ALMOST reach the overall effectiveness of one item, both of which are clearly more situational. Warmog's is the only item of the ones mentioned that retains full effectiveness against every type of damage: physical, magical, and even true. [/quote] Atmogs itself is situational. This is a combination that rivals it in terms of situation which has more versatility. [/quote] EDIT: I'm going to shorten this up. You can't discuss comparisons between a Randuin's/BV combo and Warmog's because one is a single item and one is a two-item set. You can't make equivalences between item combos unless you're talking about the same number of items. You can only address Warmog's utility versus each of the individual items, and Warmog's is by far more versatile than Banshee's and Randuin's.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]^ Well put. And it still is post nerf.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=DuffTime] ^ Well put. And it still is post nerf. [/quote] I disagree. I'm comparing and contrasting the differences. Both are situationally useful. Excuse me for copypasta ------------------------ Warmog's is not a bad item itself. The reason people will tell you not to get it is that until you've made your armor and MRes high enough to make it efficient, other items will make you tank better and add other benefits on top of it at a better per-gold ratio than Warmog's will. Randuin's Omen, Banshee's Veil, Aegis, and Force of Nature all give you more in mathematical, irrefutable per-gold effectiveness in both survival and utility on purchase, and you want to go out and crush your enemies right now, not 20 minutes later. -------------------End copypasta I'm not saying Atmogs is at all bad, just that you NEED to farm it up for it to be worth the while. Randuin's Omen and Banshee's veil give you a similar effect for health and health regen, while giving you effects and actives that provide utility both to yourself, and to your team.[/quote]

[quote=example1013]EDIT: Nevermind. I'm not responding to false equivalences. Also don't forget that Randuin's is only really useful against auto-attack champions. Pantheon, for instance, is barely affected by it, and the same goes for Riven, Wukong, Olaf, Akali, Jax, etc. etc. etc. It's not a must-buy item by any means. Banshee's isn't a must-buy item either, but it's definitely got more utility. There's always going to be a magic damage champ on the enemy team (if they have any clue what they're doing), you're always going to be facing various effects that the shield will block, and HP and mana are always useful (on mana-based champs).[/quote]

[quote=Temzilla]Okay. There are two problems with comparing Warmog's Armor to Randuins+Banshee's. 1. Randuin's + Banshee's is TWO items. 2. Randun's Omen alone costs more than Warmog's Armor does, then there is the extra 2800g for Banshee's. Two items can NEVER beat one item in terms of "flexibility". When comparing items, you have to compare items of equivilant cost.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]More for less is a main tenant when deeming something cost effective...youre spending more for more...where in any of that is cost effeciency? To me it sounds like youre spending more ergo you get more...but lets also call into evidence the fact that atmogs (while being situational) can be used with any champion within reason...if my champ has no need for mana then there is no real bonus to getting bv? It has a wasted stat....just my 2cents[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido]I understand where you're coming from, however I'm not simply "comparing" items, I'm suggesting an alternative item combination geared more towards tanky dps and off tanks. In regards to items being for specific reasons, I have stated several times now that this is a situational option that despite costing a bit more, provides a similar effect but bring more utility. This combination would certainly mitigate damage from magic dps builds as well as a few other sources. Telling me I shouldn't suggest another item combination because it's different is like telling me I shouldn't suggest a champion y instead of champion x because it brings other things to counter situations that champion x doesn't have. [b]Don't be so quick to throw an idea away. I never stated that this was a "be all end all" replacement or anything, just a combination that rivals it for effectiveness in situations which is why I deemed it "situational".[/b][/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=DuffTime] I don't think we should even be thinking in terms of combos to be honest... Atmogg's was never the "Every game best" combo but people used it every game. [/quote] Haha, wish I read this sooner, lets change the direction of the thread. Gotta admit, Atmogs certainly is overused despite itself being situational, what are other items that you consider if you did not want to purchase atmogs?[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Warmogg's + GA. Warmogg's + Trinity. Warmogg's + FH and FoN Warmog's + Atma's Warmog's + BT. Warmog's + Shurelya's + GA. Warmog's + Aegis + GA Warmog's + Shurelya's + FH Warmog's + FoN + GA There's like nothing you can't do. Warmog's give you the strong base that allows you to maximize your tanky potential with other tanking items.[/quote]

[quote=TheWeekndOVOXO][quote=DuffTime] Warmogg's + GA. Warmogg's + Trinity. Warmogg's + FH and FoN Warmog's + Atma's Warmog's + BT. Warmog's + Shurelya's + GA. Warmog's + Aegis + GA Warmog's + Shurelya's + FH Warmog's + FoN + GA There's like nothing you can't do. Warmog's give you the strong base that allows you to maximize your tanky potential with other tanking items. [/quote] This. And like Tem said before, you're comparing two items vs one. How is that even a fair comparison?[/quote]