Underestimated Items for AP Champions: Abyssal...

[quote=EVILISLEMONS][[Abyssal Sceptre]] and [[Sunfire Cape]] are items that are often overlooked/underestimated by players using AP champions who are melee or have short-range. They offer both an offensive passive - respectively, they reduce magic resistance by 20 + offer 70+ AP and deal 40 magic damage to surrounding enemies. They also provide defense - 57 magic resistance & 45 armor + 450 health, again respectively. I always build it on AP Champions who have melee range such as [[Mordekaiser]] or [[Katarina]]. It's funny because the initial thought process for the enemy team is to focus the AD and AP carry. Then they realize I have 120+ Armor/Magic Resistance with about 2.6k+ hp. They always wonder how I could possibly be this hard to kill yet able to dish out decent amount of damage. OK I mean yeah they don't really offer much offense, but a little does go a long way. I just find it so damn useful - especially when you couple it with other sustaining items like [[Hextech Gunblade]] or [[Will of the Ancients]]. What are your thoughts on these items?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I've always thought of [[Abyssal scepter]] as core for frontline mages like [[Gragas]], [[Annie]], ect. But, mainly after other items that contribute to damage more. If we have a dual AP comp or the opponent is whoopin me, I'll get an abyssal earlier though. Sunfire cape on the other hand... It's kind of a bad item overall.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Using the two in conjunction on AP Tanks are good, I've heard. Like [[amumu]] or [[malphite]].[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]Sunfire's is horrible on Morde or Kat... Why in the world would you be running in their face to do damage? You're a caster so you go burst down people in a safe distance. I'd only get sunfire's on Malphite and even so that's situational. Abyssal is a good item on casters. It's a great anti-burstmage item to rush on champs like Ahri. It also shreds Mr to negative which is more effective on lower MR targets than Rabadon's.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Scepter is good, SFC is bad. Only people who get SFC is Malphite and Shen.[/quote]

[quote=Vavena]Abyssal Scepter is not over looked on AP because almost everyone builds it first or second these days. Now SFC is just plain bad on any type of carry. It's a tank item.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD]the only ap I'd build Sunfire on is [[Vladimir]]. I mean, I'd consider it but I build other armour items on him.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Since when was Abyssal Scepter underestimated. o.o[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Luther3000] Since when was Abyssal Scepter underestimated. o.o [/quote] I just chose to ignore it.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=GrandmasterD] the only ap I'd build Sunfire on is [[Vladimir]]. I mean, I'd consider it but I build other armour items on him. [/quote] "Vladimir is not an actual vampire, but if you wanna role play as one, build a [[Sunfire Cape]] because real vampires sparkle!" ~ Phreak. Sunfire cape is great on most bruiser APs like Cho, Rumble, Vlad, etc.[/quote]