Nice and georgous guide which deserve more appreciation.

The best excuse to play Ashe sup (""are you kidding, did you not see dat amazing Ashe sup guide ??") and I can see all the fun potential behind.

+1 to keep motivation alive (and maybe some rune update soon)

I'm considering just making this a general support Ashe guide...

Support Ashe still fun ^^

I had tested this once and loved it works pretty well with a good marksman in your side
Thanks for the Guide
Keep up the good work

No

I'm gonna cheat a bit as I only skimmed the guide.

I'm not convinced by the Ardent Censer. I understand the interaction with Stoneborn Pact but it's still a ton of gold to invest in what is a fairly mediocre effect. The passive might proc about as much as Karma could (arguably less since Karma has the added bonus of increased shielding and Redemption healing power) but the stats are unfortunately hot trash on Ashe. 60 AP plus the healing/shielding bonus are simply too costly for a champion that can't use those stats apart from a small keystone proc and a little damage on ult.

I also think you would benefit more from a simple ADC rune page. AS quints are core on all ADCs (cept Jhin) and even if you aren't farming or getting much gold, they're still the best option for lane.

Apart from that, I actually think the rest of the build looks pretty good. I would probably go with Legendary Guardian since it'll give you pretty good stats in a duo lane and you're not building tanky so little bits of resists are good. I can accept if you value Swiftness more though.

I'd also swap your Runaan's Hurricane and Black Cleaver. Runaan's early is nice for slowing multiple targets, but you can also do that with a maxed Volley and some CDR. CDR (and armor shred!) from cleaver is going to let you use your arrow more often which is the only really strong supportive ability Ashe has for combat. If your arrow is on CD and a fight breaks out you're going to be one of the worst supports in the game with only a mild slow for peel and mediocre damage compared to mage supports. Getting CDR early (or in the case of shorter games, as your only complete item) is pretty crucial.

I realize you lose CDR by skipping Censer, but if you rush Cleaver you'll get it even faster. I also recommend switching Tabi to Ionian Boots of Lucidity as your standard choice for the same reason. Tabi is probably still ok situationally. I'd also cut Mobility Boots from the items section since it'll significantly reduce your ability to keep up with people with Frost Shot.

If you take my advice, your final build would look something like this:



Also a small thing, but by late game you can just get Elixir of Wrath. Even if you're not a farming carry you'll have enough damage to warrant the lifesteal by the time you start thinking about buying elixirs. Iron doesn't do much for you anyway.

I actually like that you went for a weird guide like this since quite frankly a lot of the wacky guides aren't made by good authors, so it's cool that people looking for something interesting and fun to try have someone experienced to guide them. :)

The fact that there's this many people here (and in general) who are actually convinced this is THE anti-meta pick, or the new fotm or something of the sort actually makes my head hurt. That Phylol guy on youtube making an entire video dedicated to this, trying to preach how 'broken' this is just because one guy decided to play it in really high elo makes me facepalm even harder. Nearly any kind of build would work on nearly any champion in the gmae (as long as it at least made some sense), and people having success with it has absolutely nothing to do with how strong of a pick it is, but your ability to make use of it. People playing (and winning) with weird builds doesn't mean they are trying to break the meta. Not everyone has the mentality of "MUST. PLAY. STRONG. PICKS." - some, believe it or not, play stuff they enjoy, even though your flashy tier lists may not brand it as tier 1.

Jhoi,

First off, I want to start out by saying congratulations on your beautiful guide. It looks amazing and I didn’t expect anything less :). Unfortunately, you might get some backlash from people who think this is ‘****’ or ‘suboptimal’ because it can seem troll-y and there is some bad cons of taking Ashe support over an amazing support like Lulu. However, I don’t think some people realize this: Ashe’s arrow is REALLY powerful. Your guide gives 40%CDR, which means that it gives your team more of a reason to get picks from the arrow hit and then 4v5 and win. Think about WHY she is even in the LCS. Ashe is this squishy immobile ADC who can get shredded easily by anyone with gapclosers. She does have some decent kiting with her Q slow and such, but she requires some good peeling as well.. BUT, her ultimate is what makes her this viable pick. Pro players know how to take advantage of that 1-3.5 second stun (or aim for the person who now has no Flash becuase they used it to get away from your arrow), as well as higher elo players. I’m sure people might now say, “okay, then just play Ashe ADC and call it a day”. This Stoneborn Pact mixed with Ardent Censer is a really good idea because with your CC and Runaan's Hurricane, you can apply these stacks. The reason I pick League of Legends over any other MOBA or even game (I love games but League is my fav) is BECAUSE people figure out ways to make metas. I took Luden’s on some burst mages, when now Liandry’s actually gives MORE burst (with sacrificing some movement speed). Liandry’s used to be a NEVER bought item besides someone like Teemo, but now look at it’s popularity! We learned about how Miss Fortune can counter that Zyra or Malzahar with her Q. I could go on and on, but these things are what makes the game so fun and adaptable. This Ashe support is doing just that. Okay, maybe it hasn’t made it into the LCS or isn’t widely known, but who knows what will happen! Stoneborn Pact just became a keystone and people need time to play around with it to see it’s true potential. I congratulate you on your guide, and I hope you find the best way to make this Ashe Support stuff happen.

As for your guide itself, I have more of questions or suggestions rather than “hey, fix this”. For one, would you also consider Sivir a reasonable counter to Ashe Support? I can see her massive ultimate movement speed and her spell shield making it a bit tougher for Ashe to engage with her arrow or slow her for a long period of time- as well as her spell shield blocking your poke volley more often and giving her mana.

Second, I obviously haven’t played around with Ashe Support so I don’t know, but do you think that Ancient Coin could be an alternative if you are against an APC in bot lane ( Brand, Zyra, etc)? I would assume you can still Volley and get your gold from Spellthief's Edge when they try to poke and it DOES seem that Spellthief's Edge would be the best support item, but they are also good zoners and you may need that extra health from the minions due to their poke. I saw you tried getting coin and I didn't know if that was just a no no, or if you had a specific reasoning for trying it out. Just a thought, although I have no experience with all of this so bear with me. Keep this in mind for all of my suggestions, as you know more than I do.

Third, you mentioned some mana problems and when I play Ashe sometimes, I even have those mana problems, aka one reason why Essence Reaver is good on her. I couldn’t imagine trying to use your Volley to spam more and running out of mana. With this being said, would sacrificing Merciless for Meditation be a good alternative? For my mages now, I don’t think of 3% as a lot in the long run compared to the amount of mana I will be able to get back for more poking in lane/using spells. However, I also know you have the possibility of hitting many champions with Runaan's, so that 3% can definitely add up- but the other downside would be they have to also be less than 40% health for the 3% to even apply anyways. What do you think? Do you have quite a bit of mana issues all game or is it just something that affects your early game a bit?

Fourth, I feel like Ashe Support with this Ardent idea would really fit if you guys have something like a Kayle top with that Sivir ADC or something like that- it can even be three champs with attack speed. This way, Ardent applies to more than just your ADC. I feel like mentioning what team comps she excels in (AD/attack speed comps) and which one's are eh on her (AP comps) would also be valuable. However, if this DOES gets popular, Frozen Heart would look like a very good counter item as well- I would keep that in mind as well!

Lastly, this is very small, but I would also recommend adding putting a ward at the bush kinda ‘to the side’ the first mid tower- in between the first mid tower and wolves on the purple side. I ward this quite frequently because most teams push mid, and if you are sieging for that second mid tower (if you are on the blue side), a lot of assassins or engagers like to hide there. I know as Lux, I hide in that bush and snipe the ADC away before he can even blink! Champions like Fiddlesticks and such can also really benefit from that bush as well.

Like I said, I personally want to experiment with this idea as well and I think the guide is beautiful. Finding things to maybe put in the meta or even be decent and fun shouldn’t be all you and it takes time and patience. I love the idea that people are helping you figure out things like what runes and other things to buy and do in order to make support Ashe the best it can be. With aaaall this being said, +1 and I’ll be sure to try it out and let you know how it goes!
-Luxeøn

Quick shoutout: @ Janitsu @ Vapora Dark @ Lady Amelyne

I'm having a look at my current build path and thinking about your respective comments about Eye of the Watchers upgrade vs early Ardent Censer. But when I try and juggle what to build, I'm left with the facts that upgrading to Eye is 550G but buying Ardent is 2300, when you've already invested with Sightstone and Frostfang.

Someone mentioned not upgrading Spellthief's, but Frostfang is absolutely necessary for the extra gold gen, otherwise you're unlikely to even finish Ardent before midgame begins. And obviously Sightstone is absolutely necessary on a support bot lane.

Thoughts?

As per runes, I find myself able to proc Stoneborn easily without attack speed due to Volley. In that event, AD perhaps would suit better? MS quints allow Ashe to position herself better in lane to, to land Volley's and AAs. Without MS quints, she feels extremely unwieldy and already lacking in mobility she feels very vulnerable.

You may have read my comment, in which case this will not come as a surprise. If you haven't, I'll wait...

Done?

Alright, good job, then now it should be clear. Although, you may have removed it by now because you personally found it offensive and have the power to do so, and in that case you still read it, so you should still know my reasoning.

That being said, here's some more advice—definitely not adding this in because I am following your trend to increase the length of my comments, oh dear no: Always wear protective goggles when dismembering your kidnapped hookers with a bonesaw, the splinters can pose a serious threat to your eyes.

G M D. Just as much of a creep in real life.

I agree with most things Amelyne and Janitsu said, especially on the runes which I didn't notice on my first take. MS quints are definitely not optimal.

I don't really see a reason why not upvote right now :)