@ jhoijhoi: It's not out of order if the last build orders are just example builds. It's sort of irrelevant at that point whether it's in the first or the last slot, since, unless you've rebound your trinket key from four to some other key, either is actually incorrect because neither of those slots is the fourth one.
It's only for personal gain if the guide they downvote is for the same champion as the one you downvoted. It's not exactly about not liking the person, either. It's simply a retaliation to them voicing their opinion, which is more specific and doesn't necessarily fit into what's covered, imo. I would just like to know if that's against the rules or not, as it used to be a problem and it's the primary reason I don't downvote any guide with C2V unless I know the person isn't the type to do that.
It's only for personal gain if the guide they downvote is for the same champion as the one you downvoted. It's not exactly about not liking the person, either. It's simply a retaliation to them voicing their opinion, which is more specific and doesn't necessarily fit into what's covered, imo. I would just like to know if that's against the rules or not, as it used to be a problem and it's the primary reason I don't downvote any guide with C2V unless I know the person isn't the type to do that.
@ The_Nameless_Bard By out of order I mean having Blue Trinket before buying Hurricane etc. I actually have never thought of assigning the items to their "in-game" slots in the PO o.O
I assume revenge-downvoting is not favoured, but would be hard to "prove". I think it'd be easy to say something along the lines of, "I checked out the guide, saw it had one item in the cheat sheet I didn't like, so downvoted" if ever accused of revenge-downvoting. But if the comment was something like, "Downvoting your guide because you downvoted mine", surely that is grounds for the vote to be removed?
I assume revenge-downvoting is not favoured, but would be hard to "prove". I think it'd be easy to say something along the lines of, "I checked out the guide, saw it had one item in the cheat sheet I didn't like, so downvoted" if ever accused of revenge-downvoting. But if the comment was something like, "Downvoting your guide because you downvoted mine", surely that is grounds for the vote to be removed?
I get your point Vapora. My first draft of this post had a stricter rule on asking others to downvote (basically not allowing it under any circumstances) but we ended up changing it. I'll discuss it more with Mowen to see if we'll keep it this way or not. I appreciate the feedback.
As for revenge-voting, I feel that often falls under the "I don't like the author" category, but of course if the initial downvoter's guide is really terrible, then a downvote could easily be justified. I'm not sure if this requires its own separate rule but we can talk about it more.
As for revenge-voting, I feel that often falls under the "I don't like the author" category, but of course if the initial downvoter's guide is really terrible, then a downvote could easily be justified. I'm not sure if this requires its own separate rule but we can talk about it more.
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Adjusted the wording slightly after talking more with mowen. The gist of it is that we can't easily police what people talk about to their friends, and discussing guides (good or bad) is okay in our books. This means you can say to someone "hey, this guide sucks because of XYZ" and suggest they downvote if they agree. Similar to sharing a guide and suggesting they upvote if they agree the content is good.
If brigading becomes a problem as a result of this rule I'm sure we can revisit it, but this is what we're going with. Obviously we aren't condoning public posts (like a forum thread) calling out a terrible guide for people to mass-downvote.
As for revenge voting, this seems to be covered by existing rules. If it's clear that someone is voting out of pure spite, we can take action. If it's more of a case of "I noticed your guide sucks and downvoted it" then that would be allowed under the rules in this post.
As I said in the main post, authors are allowed to downvote competing guides, but providing reasons for doing so makes it easier to distinguish legitimate criticism from vote manipulation.
If brigading becomes a problem as a result of this rule I'm sure we can revisit it, but this is what we're going with. Obviously we aren't condoning public posts (like a forum thread) calling out a terrible guide for people to mass-downvote.
As for revenge voting, this seems to be covered by existing rules. If it's clear that someone is voting out of pure spite, we can take action. If it's more of a case of "I noticed your guide sucks and downvoted it" then that would be allowed under the rules in this post.
As I said in the main post, authors are allowed to downvote competing guides, but providing reasons for doing so makes it easier to distinguish legitimate criticism from vote manipulation.
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It's an example of a situation that could actually happen with a reasoning for downvoting that would actually hold according to the rule; and I think lots of people have already seen me criticising your use of
Or (3) the guide is legitimately (in the individual's opinion) bad, and there's apparently a rule that allows you to ask people to downvote bad guides. The rule itself says "Asking other MOBAFire members to downvote guides for reasons other than guide content", so that explains a third reason why you would recruit people to downvote a guide. And if I were to ask people to specifically downvote just one guide rather than every
Additionally, downvoting competition is allowed so long as the reason is based on the guide itself and not simply the fact that it's a competing guide. Therefore it's not a stretch to imply that since you can ask people to downvote guides, you can also ask them to downvote competing guides so long as the reason is based on the guide itself - in this hypothetical case,
The fact that I downvoted your
You just shouldn't be allowed to ask people to downvote other people's content period, competition or not. No one should be allowed to play God with the guide rankings beyond what their own personal votes can achieve.
I'll respond to the rest of the