7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=XeresAce]And yet she continues to be a permaban and tends to get ridiculously strong every single game she's played 5 sec or not, she can still melt two people down within the duration. I feel like twitch gets shat on by trist till lvl 6. Graves is pretty debatable too. Corki and Lucian stomp most lanes anyway. Her midgame isn't piss poor either, sure it's a little less than desirable compared to some other picks but a maxed out Q + i.e is quite sufficient and if she got behind bf sword and shiv is also enough to get her through that phase. Games really are hard to close out unless you manage to force a 5v5 somehow or you have a heavy catch comp in which case yeah it's pretty easy[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Dunno what game you've been playing but I haven't seen much Trist getting banned or picked ever since the patch. People saying Ashe is worse than ADC Annie or Lissandra are completely deluded, I really have no words. [quote=utopus] push quickly and is a lane bully ([[Lucian]], [[Tristana]] e.g.) [/quote] wat[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]are you serious? She's been banned in 7 of the 8 ranked games I played since the patch and nearly in every draft game[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia][quote=XeresAce]And yet she continues to be a permaban and tends to get ridiculously strong every single game she's played[/quote] No she's not, the only permabanned champ I see is Rammus with Zed/Fizz, Kha, Gnar, and Lucian being banned fairly often too. If she was still ridiculously strong, her winrate wouldn't have dropped from 52% to 48% while maintaining the same pick rate. The Trist nerfs were not a slap on the wrist, they hit her pretty hard.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=XeresAce] are you serious? She's been banned in 7 of the 8 ranked games I played since the patch and nearly in every draft game [/quote] It's almost as if personal experiences are subjective or something. :^)[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod](Gnar is a frequent ban? <.< )[/quote]

[quote=Khazem]yes, as he should be[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Never see him banned or picked, but I've been mostly doing illegal stuff lately at elos where people bam warwick and sona[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=FalseoGod]Never see him banned or picked, but I've been mostly doing illegal stuff lately at elos where people bam warwick and sona[/quote]wat. what elo are you at? my elo is terrible and people don't even do that .-.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]He is a pretty good top laner - gnar. He's been picked against me when I do ranked teams, and boy does it suck. Especially when your opposing top laner is like diamond 1/master or some BS like that. He dives well, he pokes well, he sustains well enough with just a [[doran's blade]], he kites well, and he has enough base damage with [[hyper]] that unless you're playing a broken champion like [[maokai]], you'll be crying inside[/quote]