Another theorycraft

[quote=animorte]I'm working on a new meta. Most of my ideas are troll ideas, most of which I only convince a few friends to try once. It's fun.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime][quote=Shiikan] [u]Early game, the [[miss fortune]] and [[graves]] will win, no doubt.[/u] [/quote] You say this as if to imply they would win every lane in the entire game, which simply isn't true.[/quote]

[quote=xIchi]^to add: ...and as if MF and Graves wouldn't buy wards lol...[/quote]

[quote=LaronX][quote=animorte] I'm working on a new meta. Most of my ideas are troll ideas, most of which I only convince a few friends to try once. It's fun. [/quote] To creat a new meta you do come up with something that get the same resultes later but is better early . You can't really improve the late game. If one is farmed he is farmed. But you would have to get a better early stratgy. If you can come up with one fine. I am tending to a support that runs around and jungels a bit like in Dota 2 with the new jungel and gp/5 items on the jungler it should work out, but the down side is that you carry is not as safe bot as he would be with the support.[/quote]

[quote=Shiikan][quote=DuffTime] [quote=Shiikan] [u]Early game, the [[miss fortune]] and [[graves]] will win, no doubt.[/u] [/quote] You say this as if to imply they would win every lane in the entire game, which simply isn't true. [/quote] That was my bad, I meant opposed to a same or lesser skilled (similar) [[caitlyn]] and [[taric]]. Obviously not in every case would they win, even versus said [[caitlyn]] and [[taric]], but their DPS would surpass that of [[caitlyn]]. The only counter [[caitlyn]] and [[taric]] have is [[taric]] [[dazzle]] into [[caitlyn]] [[yordle snap trap]] to chain CC one of them and get the kill that way. 2v1 They can pick off the remaining lane opponent, as well as a heal from [[taric]] every once in a while when [[caitlyn]] gets harassed. Well, that, and a Jungler gank :p I was trying to say that in terms of winning their lane, [[miss fortune]] and [[graves]] have a higher probability based on champion alone. Skill is truly what matters in winning your lane and winning the game.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I know what you're saying. What I'm saying is that they don't have a higher chance of winning lane based on champions alone. That's my point. There's a big list of bot lane comps that will shit on a Graves MF lane.[/quote]

[quote=animorte][quote=DuffTime] There's a big list of bot lane comps that will shit on a Graves MF lane. [/quote] ^^ That... Such as Urgot. :P[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Urgot... Jarvan... Leona... And the list goes on forever.[/quote]

[quote=TRoosevelt][quote=Shiikan] [u]Early game, the [[miss fortune]] and [[graves]] will win, no doubt.[/u] ----------------------------------------- [/quote] Really? I'd rank Sona's Q and Power Chord higher for harassment than either Graves or MF early game. Janna has [[howling gale]] and [[eye of the storm]], Soraka can Q spam and has a massive heal/buff, Lulu has [[glitterlance]] and one of the best disables in the game. All of the ranged supports have pretty strong harassment options. And yeah, they probably have a harassment advantage against Ali/Leona/Taric but all of those guys have really strong CC and are tanky. Add in heals and those supports can win head-to-head fights. And the DPS argument doesn't really work until they get damage items, which they won't if they split CS. Arguing that the most item dependent characters have an early game advantage over the least item dependent characters when neither side has a lot of items just seems odd.[/quote]

[quote=Zeedr][quote=Shiikan] [u]Early game, the [[miss fortune]] and [[graves]] will win, no doubt.[/u] ----------------------------------------- [i]Early game from the [[miss fortune]] and [[graves]] perspective:[/i] [color=#ff0000][b]Downsides:[/b][/color] >>: You can't distribute the farm nicely between [[graves]] and [[miss fortune]]. >>: They won't have a support. >>: No support means no wards >>: No wards means death from jungler and ganks (considering the enemy has one) as well as leaving dragon vulnerable [color=#00ff00][b]Upsides:[/b][/color] >>: They may get a tower. >>: They may get a kill or so ----------------------------------------- [i]Early game from the [[caitlyn]] and [[taric]] perspective:[/i] [color=#ff0000][b]Downsides:[/b][/color] >>: Not as much damage going through. >>: Will be out harassed unless that [[caitlyn]] is really good and the opposing [[graves]] and [[miss fortune]] are really bad. [color=#00ff00][b]Upsides:[/b][/color] >>: Late game you have a Support >>: [[caitlyn]] gets all the farm >>: Your support will ward >>: Wards save lives and protect dragon >>: You can get that tower back easily in late game if you push ----------------------------------------- [u]Late game, the [[caitlyn]] and [[taric]] has a better payoff.[/u] Choose your poison. [icon=cassiopeia size=32] [/quote] /Thread. 4 well farmed chars with a Competent support are better tan 3 and two AD carry half farmed.[/quote]