Vynertje's Support AMA and advice thread

[quote=Slappiz][quote=The_Nameless_Bard] Champions like [[Janna]] and [[Nami]] are more flexible. They often favor utility and some tankiness over damage, but they can build more damage heavy (or tanky) if needed. Mage supports like [[Karma]], [[Vel'koz]], and [[Zyra]] tend to favor offensive builds with some utility thrown in, they don't really benefit from full utility or tanky builds. They're often secondary(/tertiary) damage dealers in teamfights and are mostly used to secure an early advantage in lane. [[Zyra]] is a bit different in that her ult gives her a strong initiate allowing her to do a bit more even if she doesn't have a lot of damage items.[/quote] Imo [[Janna]] doesn't favor that much from tankiness but [[Karma]] does. I even find it easier to stay alive with Janna if you build AP since it boosts all your utility. Building a 1-2 utility-defensive items on Karma is pretty good especially [[IceBorn Gauntlet]] which works really good with her kit. Karma is one of those champions that have the option to adapt to the team comp you have and build accordingly to what the team needs. But if you want to carry as support in low Elo a full AP Karma is probably the build I would pick.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=Out Of Pancakes] Wut. Those two items have very different roles, I can't see in which case scenario you'd be hesitating between them ^^'[/quote] Well if I wanted to be tanky I'd pick one and if I needed more damage on my abilities, I'd pick the other. I'm just trying to determine which of those two purposes is more important. It's the same thing with comparing Frozen Heart and Randuins.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]I like how you guys are answering my questions before I even get the chance to say something :^) Amanda is right though, core items depend on the type of support. Can pretty much one-on-one agree with her post, so I'm not going in-depth myself on this as well unless you need me to. [quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]I'm wondering a little bit more about item preferences. Like is it generally better to get Frozen Heart over Randuins on Leona so you can have your stun up more often? Is it better to get Frozen Heart over Morellonomicon on Nami in general? (Although that is probably a stupid question to ask)[/quote] I'd say randuins unless you are vs a lot of autoattack damage (for frozen heart aura) - leona already has good resistances so you just need hp to back it up. On Nami I'd go FH due to terrible AP scaling, but again this depends on the situation. FH aura is only effective if you face 3 or more auto-attack reliable champions. When you're comparing Randuins and FH, you gotta look at how much CDR you have and/or need and how much use you can make of the passive/actives of the items. ' [quote=Slappiz] Imo [[Janna]] doesn't favor that much from tankiness but [[Karma]] does. I even find it easier to stay alive with Janna if you build AP since it boosts all your utility. Building a 1-2 utility-defensive items on Karma is pretty good especially [[IceBorn Gauntlet]] which works really good with her kit. Karma is one of those champions that have the option to adapt to the team comp you have and build accordingly to what the team needs. But if you want to carry as support in low Elo a full AP Karma is probably the build I would pick.[/quote] I've played some karma and I don't really agree with iceborn. It's too expensive to be effective on her. Just go full spell pen -> liandry's + mikaels. Agreeing on the other stuff though.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Slappiz]especially [[IceBorn Gauntlet]] which works really good with her kit.[/quote]For top lane [[Karma]]? sure. I wouldn't buy that on support [[Karma]], as Vynertje said, it's much too expensive.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Sorry for double post, but what are your thoughts about support [[Kayle]] as a counterpick and in general?[/quote]

[quote=Blian]I was watching the Sbenu korean championship and in every second game [[Annie]] was the support. We might see her more often at LCS too. [h5](btw SKT T1 was destroyed by CJ.. seriously they literally left 0 chance to SKT)[/h5][/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Sorry for double post, but what are your thoughts about support [[Kayle]] as a counterpick and in general?[/quote] Don't really like her due to the way her E works, but she can be really really strong if you use her to bully low range lanes. Late game she's rather weak compared to other supports due to only having her ultimate as really effective support skill so you have to make it work early game.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Sorry for double post, but what are your thoughts about support [[Kayle]] as a counterpick and in general?[/quote] Don't really like her due to the way her E works, but she can be really really strong if you use her to bully low range lanes. Late game she's rather weak compared to other supports due to only having her ultimate as really effective support skill so you have to make it work early game.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]What can you do to control lane as a ranged support ([[janna]], [[thresh]], [[morgana]]) if your ADC isn't helping you assert lane pressure, and you're vs another ranged support? I try to tell my ADCs something along the lines of 'have lane presence', but is there any way to easily communicate to your ADC that you're looking to play more aggressively than they are allowing?[/quote]

[quote=Vaan99]What would be your example builds for Janna, Nami, Braum and Alistar? I'm curious how other support players build them, I already have my prefered build but there is always room for improvement.[/quote]