Hybrid builds theorycrafting

[quote=Ekki]Since I started playing League I wanted to try a viable hybrid build, but I quickly realised that hybrid builds suck and min/max is god. The synergy within AP items is too big and AD items scale too well with attack speed, crit chance and lifesteal, which in turn means you can't itemize for both. In this thread I'll disregard all of that to think of the best hybrid builds for as many champions I can think of. I'll try to update the builds as much as I can in this post, so feel free to comment your own. They have to be playable (so no troll hybrid [[garen]] builds), and hopefully a couple of them are viable. [u]Tentative hybrid champion list:[/u] [icon=miss fortune size=60 float=left] Miss Fortune: Both AP and AD scalings. The only thing that sucks is that her ult scales with crit chance too. [icon=akali size=60 float=left] Akali: I guess she already has a hybrid-ish build, so I'll probably ignore her unless a half and half AD-AP build turns up. [icon=teemo size=60 float=left] Teemo: IDK why I always see all kind of troll builds on teemo. I've played him hybrid tank for a while now so I guess I'll just put my build here and see the feedback. [icon=ezreal size=60 float=left] Ezreal: He scales with both AD and AP and doesn't benefit too much from crit and attack speed. I'm looking for something different than the blue ez + [[zhonya's hourglass]] situational build though. [icon=jax size=60 float=left] Jax: Both AD and AP scalings all over his kit. [icon=kayle size=60 float=left] Kayle: Both AP scaling and autoattack reliance. I remember playing her adc for some time back in season 2. [icon=corki size=60 float=left] Corki: Both AD and AP scalings and a passive 50/50 hybrid damage. [icon=kennen size=60 float=left] Kennen: AP scaling and autoattack synergy with [[electrical surge]]. [icon=hecarim size=60 float=left] Hecarim: I remember seeing a hybrid [[hecarim]] video from nightblue3, I may try it someday. [rule] [spoiler=Hybrid tank teemo build][u]Core:[/u] [size=6][icon=blade of the ruined king size=40] + [icon=frozen mallet size=40] + [icon=liandry's torment size=40][/size] [u]Rest of the build:[/u] [size=6][icon=warmog's armor size=40] + [icon=mercury's treads size=40] + [icon=zz'rot portal size=40][/size] [u]Alternative items:[/u] [size=6][icon=wit's end size=40] / [icon=morellonomicon size=40] / [icon=guardian angel size=40] / [icon=runaan's hurricane size=40][/size] Also, practically any tank item can be an alternative item. [/spoiler] [spoiler=hybrid miss fortune build][u]Ideal lategame build:[/u] [size=6][icon=essence reaver size=40] + [icon=infinity edge size=40] + [icon=rylai's crystal scepter size=40] + a [[zeal]] upgrade + [icon=luden's echo size=40] / [icon=morellonomicon size=40] + [icon=ionian boots of lucidity size=40][/size] I don't know if the critical damage from [[bullet time]] is worth it, maybe I could swap one [[zeal]] upgrade for more AP, maybe a [[rabadon's deathcap]]. Also I don't know which would be the best boot upgrade for this build, maybe [[berserker's greaves]] would be worth it, maybe she would need a defensive upgrade. [/spoiler] [spoiler=tidalwind49's hybrid kennen][u]Core:[/u] [size=6][icon=nashor's tooth size=40] + [icon=guinsoo's rageblade size=40] + [icon=berserker greaves size=40] + [icon=rylai's crystal scepter size=40][/size] [u]Rest of the build:[/u] [size=6][icon=blade of the ruined king size=40] + [icon=luden's echo size=40] + [icon=rabadon's deathcap size=40] + [icon=zhonya's hourglass size=40] + [icon=abyssal scepter size=40][/size] Although this is more Atk Spd like Kayle, with the BORK, you have great sustain and balance between AP and AD. Because of Kennen's passive and the 4th auto-attack from his W, you can usually keep someone locked down for a good while. This build also maximizes Cooldown Reduction, allowing to stun opponents very frequently. [/spoiler] [spoiler=Eiron's hybrid corki][size=6][icon=trinity force size=40] + [icon=sorcerer's shoes size=40] + [icon=infinity edge size=40] + [icon=hextech revolver size=40] + [icon=abyssal scepter size=40] + [icon=guardian angel size=40][/size] You can go Luden's instead of Abyssal and get Void if your enemies stack MR. [/spoiler] Hoping to see some hybrid builds posted here![/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]Hey, fun idea! Have you considered [[corki]] and [[nidalee]] yet? As far as items go, I think [[guinsoo's rageblade]] is great on hybrid stuff.[/quote]

[quote=Ekki]Huh, I'm not very familiar with [[nidalee]] nor [[corki]], I guess I just forgot they existed. IDK if nida makes sense, but Corki might do. I'll add them both to the list. Also yeah, [[guinsoo's rageblade]] is great on on-hit hybrids like [[kayle]]. It does scale too hard with on-hit effects though, which actually ends up in an attack speed + tankiness build with ambient AD and AP.[/quote]

[quote=Ekki]On a second thought, [[nidalee]] doesn't have much reason to build both AD and AP, since her only AD scaling is in her Q, and it's not that great. I remembered more AD scalings in her kit...[/quote]

[quote=TidalWind49]I have been recently playing around with a Kennen hybrid build. So far i have had some great success with it. Normal build I used to use was S6 main build, full AP for his ult burst damage. I have found in S7 that it doesn't work as well. The items I currently use are: Berserker Greaves Nashor Tooth Guinsoo's Rageblade Rylai's Crystal Scepter Last 2 slots vary: Blade of the Ruined King Luden's Echo Rabadon's Deathcap Zhonya's Hourglass Abyssal Scepter Although this is more Atk Spd like Kayle, with the BORK, I have great sustain and balance between AP and AD. Because of Kennen's passive and the 4th auto-attack from his W, I can usually keep someone locked down for a good while. This build also maximizes Cooldown Reduction, allowing me to stun opponents very frequently. I haven't seen anyone else try this yet in my battles, but if anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear them.[/quote]

[quote=Eiron]My Corki build [img=https://puu.sh/uLXt4/fd7c379250.png] Also you can go Luden's instead of Abyssal and get Void if your enemies stack MR.[/quote]

[quote=Ekki]Added the two builds to the OP. Sorry for the delay, I took my sweet time to revisit this :P [mention=TidalWind49] IDK how I forgot about [[kennen]]. His hybrid builds are mostly aa oriented but it's a nice champion for an AP/aa hybrid build (much like [[kayle]]). I'd recommend having [[zhonya's hourglass]] as core though. Even if you have some sustain from lifesteal, the utility it gives in combination with the ult is too big. [mention=Eiron] Added! What would be the build order? I posted the build in the order that seemed most logical to me.[/quote]

[quote=jhoijhoi]Cool idea, following thread :) What about hybrid support MF?[/quote]

[quote=Ekki]Huh, forgot about that one. I still can't get over the fact that she's mostly a support now. If my memory and game knowledge are fine, I think a good base build should be: [[eye of the watchers]] + [[boots of speed]] upgrade + [[the black cleaver]] + [[rylai's crystal scepter]] + some more ap/ad/tank items[/quote]

[quote=Lady Amelyne]No. The base build is Eye of the Watchers into Cleaver into Mortal Reminder into Liandry. Boots are whatever. In some cases it's fine to go Mortal Reminder first and TBC second. Prior to the lethality nerfs, you could just buy any combination of lethality items and it'd still work. To close the build, just buy more damage, probably in the form of lethality or something.[/quote]