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[quote=Vynertje]Skidmark you should stop using personal experience as an argument for anything because your personal experience = silver experience, and the level in your normals is even lower. Sivir is banned from time to time in diamond solo queue already and her winrates in diamond are that high for a reason. From all the champions [b]in all levels of ranked[/b], her winrates are the highest of every champion at 54-57%. And to compare this to other champ remakes, no other freshly remade champion (besides yi, but he was darn broken) made these winrates on release, so you cannot really counter this by saying that it is all about her being new and shit.[/quote]

[quote=Bioalchemist]^ yeah she is pretty stinkin good. and she has mad escape ability once she hits 6. shit even before that.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Vynertje] Skidmark you should stop using personal experience as an argument for anything because your personal experience = silver experience, and the level in your normals is even lower. Sivir is banned from time to time in diamond solo queue already and her winrates in diamond are that high for a reason. From all the champions [b]in all levels of ranked[/b], her winrates are the highest of every champion at 54-57%. And to compare this to other champ remakes, no other freshly remade champion (besides yi, but he was darn broken) made these winrates on release, so you cannot really counter this by saying that it is all about her being new and shit. [/quote] Eve and Xin would like to have a word :P Anyway, yeah the new Sivir feels pretty strong although I don't think she's outright broken.[/quote]

[quote=sirell]Well, I've played [[sivir]] twice and she's practically effortless. In my humble opinion, she's retardly broken as fuck. I've never seen a [[vayne]] have so much trouble with any other ADC other than [[caitlyn]].[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=sirell] Well, I've played [[sivir]] twice and she's practically effortless. In my humble opinion, she's retardly broken as fuck. I've never seen a [[vayne]] have so much trouble with any other ADC other than [[caitlyn]]. [/quote] Try [[Draven]], hue. Also, so far I've yet to lose against [[Sivir]] as [[Draven]]. He feels like a solid pick against her.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]I feel like draven is worthless in his current state to be honest. The only thing that I can see work is that draven doesn't care about a spellshield at all.[/quote]

[quote=TROLLing1999]dat new [[sivir]] splitpushes to victory!!! PS. Still hating that 500 range though. Oh and the old sivir had larger boobs![/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Vynertje] I feel like draven is worthless in his current state to be honest. The only thing that I can see work is that draven doesn't care about a spellshield at all. [/quote] That and he still has insane laning power coupled with high outplay potential. People really dropped him too quickly imo, he's still very strong. Additionally, the passive ain't all that bad now. Sure it's not great but if you score an early-kill; you snowball like no other.[/quote]

[quote=Kaggboer2012]yes, with his passive you snowball like no other because you can afford an extra potion after scoring a kill[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Kaggboer2012] yes, with his passive you snowball like no other because you can afford an extra potion after scoring a kill [/quote] If you grab a kill at level 5-ish it's generally around 200-300 gold which is not bad at all at that point in the game.[/quote]