Spirit Visage is used almost solely to increase the healing from your ultimate. At a 20% cost for regenerating 50% of your health, Sadism only gives you a 30% health heal. Spirit Visage effectively increases 50% to a 57.5% heal, or an effective 37.5% health heal. This is an effective 25% increase in healing.
In short, if you have 3000 health on Mundo, Spirit Visage is giving you an extra 750 health as a heal from your ultimate.
While other items may also increase the healing, note that Spirit Visage should be used in tandem with those other items, not by itself.
In short, if you have 3000 health on Mundo, Spirit Visage is giving you an extra 750 health as a heal from your ultimate.
While other items may also increase the healing, note that Spirit Visage should be used in tandem with those other items, not by itself.
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Assuming a 3000 HP Mundo
20% Cost of Current Health
Say you ult at 1/4 HP, or 750 HP
Cost of Ult=20% of 750, or 150 HP
Without a SV, you will heal 50% of Max Health, or 1500 HP
Including the cost, you will have 2100 HP.
With a SV, you heal +15% of 1500, or 1725 HP
Including the cost, you will have 2325 HP.
This is a solid +15% increase in healing, not +25%.
Including the cost, it will be an 11% increase, and that is rounded up.
I agree that it should be used in tandem with other items.
However, this means, that SV is not very effective early/mid game, when you don't have 3000 health and many health regen items (assuming you spent 1550 of your money buying a SV).
As for late game, other items such as an extra Warmogs will be a better inventory slot than a SV.
20% Cost of Current Health
Say you ult at 1/4 HP, or 750 HP
Cost of Ult=20% of 750, or 150 HP
Without a SV, you will heal 50% of Max Health, or 1500 HP
Including the cost, you will have 2100 HP.
With a SV, you heal +15% of 1500, or 1725 HP
Including the cost, you will have 2325 HP.
This is a solid +15% increase in healing, not +25%.
Including the cost, it will be an 11% increase, and that is rounded up.
I agree that it should be used in tandem with other items.
However, this means, that SV is not very effective early/mid game, when you don't have 3000 health and many health regen items (assuming you spent 1550 of your money buying a SV).
As for late game, other items such as an extra Warmogs will be a better inventory slot than a SV.
it takes 20% of your CURRENT health jebus, so if you used it when you were at full health it would be 30% effective heal.
if you were at 50% hp when you used it, the effective heal would be 40%.
all in all, it would be better to use as low health as possible, without risking dieing of course.
anyway, spirit visage is bought early game because it is extremely cheap and the heal scales very well as you buy other items.
its not essentially necessary, hell the only item that is necessary is boots (i usually prefer swiftness boots). other than that you can build anything.
if you were at 50% hp when you used it, the effective heal would be 40%.
all in all, it would be better to use as low health as possible, without risking dieing of course.
anyway, spirit visage is bought early game because it is extremely cheap and the heal scales very well as you buy other items.
its not essentially necessary, hell the only item that is necessary is boots (i usually prefer swiftness boots). other than that you can build anything.
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Here's the thing,
Spirit Visage+ Force of Nature+ Warmog's Armor
There's the "ideal" setup.
Regaining a ton of HP per second.
Not giving a **** about the HP costs of your skills.
All in all, it makes Mundo happy to do this.
Rest can be filled with whatever you want. And, good Mundos, have this by.... mid game.
Spirit Visage+ Force of Nature+ Warmog's ArmorThere's the "ideal" setup.
Regaining a ton of HP per second.
Not giving a **** about the HP costs of your skills.
All in all, it makes Mundo happy to do this.
Rest can be filled with whatever you want. And, good Mundos, have this by.... mid game.
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Sure it is cheap, but items such as HoG and GB are even cheaper and do just as or even better of a job of giving health for dr. mundo. I'm just trying to clear the upheld notion that you need a SV in an "ideal" setup because as you can see, other items outshine it.
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Is this really the case?
In this discussion, I will be calculating the benefits of
Cost: 1550
HP: 250
Regen from
Regen from +250hp with
Regen from +15% effect on 11.75hp/sec (hp regen at lvl 6: 11.75*0.15= 1.76/5 sec
Regen from +15% effect on ult: 1112+250=1362*0.5=681*0.15= 102.15/12 sec
Total Regen Over 12 Seconds: 0.75*12+125+1.76/5*12+102.15= 427.97 reg/12 sec
Converted HP over 12 Seconds: 250+427.97= 677.97 HP
Cost: 1650 - 1 gold/sec
HP: 500
Regen from
Regen from +500hp with
Total Regen Over 12 Seconds: 1.5*12+250= 268 reg/12 sec
Converted HP over 12 Seconds: 500+268= 768 HP
Cost: 1110
HP: 430
Regen from
Regen from +430hp with
Total Regen Over 12 Seconds: 1.29*12+215= 230.48 reg/12 sec
Converted HP over 12 Seconds: 430+230.48= 660.48 HP
Results
As you can see, without regarding other effects, Giant's Belt is well ahead in cost worth.
Spirit Visage provides 10% CD Reduction. 10% CD Reduction is rather negligible on DR. MUNDO.
--First of all,
--Second, it will take off less than half a second off your cleaver, which already has a short enoough CD.
--Third, the CD off of
--Fourth, you'll only have time to use one ult per fight anyways, so a 7.5 sec reduction is not a difference maker.
Spirit Visage gives 30 magic resistance. This makes up for some of the lack of HP, but only effective against a lot magic damage.
Heart of Gold gives 5 gold/10 sec, so for 2, you will get 1 gold/sec. That means in about 10 minutes, it will pay for one Heart of Gold.
Giant's Belt is cheapest in terms of pure converted HP.
With each increasing lvl of Dr. Mundo over lvl 6, Spirit Visage will give you an extra 6.9HP/12 sec + 0.11HP/5 sec, a grand total of 7.17 converted HP per level, not a big increase.