Nautilus tho?

[quote=Hatted]Hiya, I play the video gaming game League of Legends. My favorite champion of them all is Nautilus. The anchorman is the sole reason I gave into temptation for playing LoL and he was the first champ I ever saved up for. I play him constantly, and I've checked several guides and such for him but none of them build him the exact way I do; sure you build tank upon tank but I feel my build works better. I'm by no means good, but I went on ~5 win spree with him and I'm Silver V (like I said, not amazing). I'm just curious on your guys' opinions on the anchorman. When I first started playing ranked and asked for jungle, said I would play Naut, and people instantly loved me. <3 He has tons of cc, tons of ganking strength, and tons of tank. However, other people say he's not as good, lacking that damage potential someone like Rengar or Kha'zix would have. Thanks for listening, and happy anchoring. :)[/quote]

[quote=Vorcia]His only gimmick is that he has a lot of CC and a shield that makes him kinda tanky. He has a lot of CC but they're not really useful compared to [[Vi]]'s ult or [[rammus]]' taunt. His clear speed is probably the worst of all viable junglers and his ganks aren't that great either. He's probably going to get even worse next season because the new jungle is supposedly harder. If I want CC, I'd just pick someone like [[Rammus]], [[Amumu]], or [[Sejuani]] because their CC actually has a duration. If I want ganking strength, I'd just pick [[Rammus]], [[Lee Sin]], or [[Shaco]] because their early ganks pretty much guarantee a [[flash]] or kill. If I want tons of tank I'd just pick [[Rammus]] because his steroids are crazy good.[/quote]

[quote=FantasySniper]If you play him well within a composition of high-damage focused champs, sure. But he's not exactly in the best spot right now, like Vorcia said, you can only expect it to get worse.[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha]The issue with Naut is that it's very hard to actually hard-carry games with him. I mean, it's possible in very very very ideal circumstances, but they rarely come around. First of all, Naut actually has a lot of damage early game. His shield grants him a ton of damage on every basic attack. The issue is that after the shield wears off, be it damage or just time, well... You have zero threat in duels. Too much damage is loaded into the shield for him to be an offensive threat at all. CC wise, he's fantastic. Four different forms of crowd control, that's pretty ridiculous. But once again, having CC is one thing, but you can't carry a game with just CC. The other issue is that Nautilus, while a ganking jungler, is very prone to getting counterjungled and counterganked. Naut's first clear is very rough, and will lose an early game duel to essentially every mainstream jungler right now besides Rammus. Additionally, he needs blue buffs for fast clears, and he is very fragile early. By the time he clears the jungle for the first time, Lee Sin will have ganked two of your lanes. You can win with every champion if you are good enough, no doubt, but there are just better junglers that you can choose to carry with, If you want to singlehandedly win games, don't pick tank junglers like Nautilus or Sejuani because they need a lot of team support to work, pick junglers with huge offensive threats by themselves as well as lane pressure. Think along the lines of Kha, Vi or Udyr. It's the sad reality for tank junglers in solo queue right now.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]At least he is stronger then [[shen]], who is definitly the slowest jungler in the game and has even less damage :D.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]He is fine. He's one of those champions that doesn't see much play because there are other strong junglers to play and he's not really needed. If it's your favorite champion, just play the heck out of him. You can carry games with him at any elo, even silver. I'm not really sure what you're building that's different from the standard. You pretty much just go full tank on Nautilus with some CDR mixed in. An average build might look something like this: [icon=spirit of the ancient golem][icon=boots of mobility][icon=locket of the iron solari][icon=randuin's omen][icon=frozen heart][icon=banshee's veil] or [[thornmail]] or [[warmog's armor]] maybe. [[Ninja Tabi]] are good too.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=PsiGuard]I'm not really sure what you're building that's different from the standard. You pretty much just go full tank on Nautilus with some CDR mixed in. An average build might look something like this: [icon=spirit of the ancient golem][icon=boots of mobility][icon=locket of the iron solari][icon=randuin's omen][icon=frozen heart][icon=banshee's veil] or [[thornmail]] or [[warmog's armor]] maybe. [[Ninja Tabi]] are good too.[/quote] Basically the first build but substitute the heart for a Warmog's. And I almost always give my mid blue. The jungle item actually keeps me away from being oom fro quite some time if I just shield and smack. :)[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=Vorcia] If I want tons of tank I'd just pick [[Rammus]] because his steroids are crazy good.[/quote] I do agree that there are junglers that work better alot of the time, I do love Nautilus. <3 However, every time I've seen a Rammus in ranked I counterpick Trundle. And I troll the boy. Do you find trundle to usually be a problem for Rammus?[/quote]

[quote=Zylmoc]In my opinion other junglers suit the role better. Want pressure? Take Lee, Shaco, or Vi. Want to tank? Rammus or sejuani it up. Want CC? Goe Amumu, Sejuani, or Rammus. Hell even Zac does Nauts job with better results. I wish Naut was more of a monster but it doesn't appear so.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][[rammus]] doesn't have to only deal with [[trundle]]. I assume you're talking about jungle [[trundle]] here, but it doesn't matter if it's top or jungle anyway. If [[trundle]] isn't where [[rammus]] is, even if [[trundle]] apparently does well against [[rammus]] (which I feel he doesn't, really), then there's nothing to stop [[rammus]] from taunting your mid laner or ADC or support or whoever [[trundle]] isn't. [[trundle]] isn't some great underrated counter to [[rammus]]. At the moment, [[rammus]] does a decent job of clearing and a near-enough job to [[nautilus]]. One thing that does have to be said, though, is that he does bring a shit-ton of CC that I don't think any other jungler can match and he scales with HP, which can make him ridiculously difficult to kill if he gets even one or two core items. I'm also not convinced that his ganks aren't that great. In fact, he's one of the only junglers I'd say that doesn't require the lane to set-up CC for the gank when he has his AA-snares. I would say that he's a CC-heavier version of [[lee sin]], tbh. What he lacks in damage, he makes up for in CC. His main problem has always been jungle clear and proneness to 1v1 invasions. Most other common junglers don't suffer this as much. That and he can be slow as fuck without [[boots of mobility]].[/quote]